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SheilaR
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IMO, a bluish tint is a sign of scale health. Shiny firm scales that are well hydrated usually display a tint.[/quote]
it is  makes me feel mushy inside :bawling: guess i'm doing something right hey deb plan on trying f/t rat pups any suggestions????
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hhmoore
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not Deb...but my first suggestion would be to get yourself a long set of tweezers. Forget that dangling the prey from your fingers stuff.
(there are more suggestions, but I don't want to steal Deb's thunder)
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a_green
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Location: Vancouver, BC Canada
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:45 am Post subject: |
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pdig, I didn't start this thread for people to insult each other, so with all due respect, cut it out. I wanted advice for my snake, and now you are just insulting someone on an unrelated matter (try taking your own 'PM' advice). Moreover, I'm really not sure what the point of is bringing up such a horrible event as someone butchering a snake in public!
I'm not as argumentative as either you or Ryan, but I will be honest and say I don't get your original advice either. If my BP is acting unusually, I will notice, because I watch her daily. I don't know what changing anything is supposed to prove--changing the environment is one great way to stress your snake out, and I don't think she needs stress on top of whatever else is going on with her.
So, to bring things back to my ORIGINAL post, who else here has experience with their snakes going on feeding/pooping/shedding strikes?
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hhmoore
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| a_green wrote: | | So, to bring things back to my ORIGINAL post, who else here has experience with their snakes going on feeding/pooping/shedding strikes? |
To break it down to it simplest form - right now, there is nothing to worry about. Your snake has defecated since its last meal, and without taking in more food it can go quite some time before it does so again. By the same token, not eating will disrupt the "normal" shed frequency because the snake is not growing at the same rate. As long as it is drinking, and passing urine & urates, the essentials are covered. As you no doubt know, BPs can last quite some time between meals...so I wouldn't worry too much at this point. Just keep an eye on its body weight - I understand that you don't have a scale, but you'll notice things like it seeming thinner or a change in the general shape & tone...watch for "tenting" or "peaking" of the spine (loss of weight will make the spine more prominent as the fat & tissue around it shrinks), though that is fairly far along in the progression of things.
Obviously, at this point all you can do is check things out to make sure everything is correct...sometimes adding some additional cover helps, even if it is just some crumpled newpaper or a section just laid in there.
I don't try to keep up with members setups & feeding habits...do you feed live or f/t? Frequently, offering a live prey item will jumpstart the feeding response.
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a_green
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Location: Vancouver, BC Canada
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My BP has been fed P/K from day one, and I've never had a problem feeding her F/T.
I am keeping a close eye on her. I hope to get a digital scale at first opportunity.
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deborahbroadus
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| a_green wrote: | My BP has been fed P/K from day one, and I've never had a problem feeding her F/T.
I am keeping a close eye on her. I hope to get a digital scale at first opportunity. |
I haven't chimed in because it seems that quite a few members were offering good suggestions, and there was nothing to add at that time. Ryan pointed out the unreasonableness of 69's suggestion so there was no need to jump in until things got out of hand..
When things did get out of hand (69's last post) Green posted and brought things back on point then Harald stole my thunder  ..sooo guys you all have been doing quite well on your own. 
Green, because no one has suggested it (and I can't remember), I just want to add, if you are feeding rats, try a mouse. I have had several rat eaters decide that they want nothing more to do with rats and are now mice eaters. If you are feeding mice..try a p/k gerbil. To be honest, Harald is right, there is nothing to worry about at this point. 
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deborahbroadus
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| pdig69 wrote: | I logged off after my post, no chat for me...as for my ideas...being off the wall, you Ryan should be last to speak...you PM people so your ideas aren't riticuled on here...its ok. you probably don't even know what you say, so I can't pick you apart.
If you ever put a fan inside your tank, I would take my aggresive male and let him bite your ass, for you being an ass. Take a step back and stop thinking the worst. 
Maybe it doesn't need to be rushed to an animal hospital that same day. It could be possible that all it takes is some simple advice to make someone else feel better. Maybe the knowledge of the bp not acting funny is enough to prove there are no problems... Fans (that aren't inside or rigged to the tank  ) make snakes search their tank..so you know. So does moving something as simple as the hide hole 90 degrees makes them curious. Either way, its obvious that not pooping and not shedding isn't the worst pre-cursor for a disease, so telling someone to have their snake active to prove there aren't problems is not creating problems that others have to fix...
If you have such a grudge with people that supposedly create problems, why don't you utilize your time and find that guy that hammered 6 nails into a ball python on the side of a telephone pole in Lawrence, Massachutes..you'd make yourself useful...because so far..there are two posts in this thread that are a waste of space..stick to your pms buddy.... and the other species of snakes you own, it doesnt seem like you own any ball pythons.. |
69 please think twice about what you are posting before hitting the "enter" key. There are lots of times that I want to cut loose and let someone "have it" too. We are a community of snake lovers and let's not lose sight of that.
Ryan's post, while blunt, was out of concern for the snakes..your advice about the fan and moving things around was a bit "off the wall" and would not have really helped find out what was wrong with the snake, but would have created more stress for the snake.
However, I understand you wanted to contribute and help (this is always a good thing and I thank you  ).
However, I hope you will take my suggestion to read a few books on care of BPs (Ron has a few selections on his site). If you have read some caresheets, then I suggest until you have a firmer grasp on their care, that you only offer advice that has a back up resource. I have been in a habit of asking newcomers that give advice to cite their resource and apparently I am going to have to resume that habit to keep "off the wall comments to a minimum.
I read a lot of books and have been doing this for a minute and I still ask other people about some issues, if I am not sure of my footing. I don't just put things out there because I realize that there are some newbies that might take my advice as gospel, and if the advice is not right, I could cause harm just by saying something that hasn't been checked out. I didn't feel the need to jump in because Green is no novice and quite able to determine for herself which advice is good and which advice to ignore.
The mods watch all the posts here and we do make note of who has advanced in knowledge and who has not. Thinking outside the box is fine, but if what I am thinking outside the box has nothing to do with what's in the box then the thoughts are worthless.
You are all a great group!
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deborahbroadus
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| SheilaR wrote: | | jb.t3ch wrote: | | jinx at a year and a half or so is currently off feed and has been for a month and a half. ive been offering every week. will update when he finally decides to eat. there has been no poop and no weight loss. |
this is with my snake also she is eating regular and everything but still no poop is this normal?? |
You may want to check your temps (just to be on the safe side) to make sure they are correct so that she can digest the food (no, a heat lamp doesn't really do the job). She may hold it until she sheds and leave you a nice package in the shed..but do check the temps..just to be on the safe side.
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hhmoore
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| deborahbroadus wrote: | | SheilaR wrote: | | this is with my snake also she is eating regular and everything but still no poop is this normal?? |
You may want to check your temps (just to be on the safe side) to make sure they are correct so that she can digest the food (no, a heat lamp doesn't really do the job). She may hold it until she sheds and leave you a nice package in the shed..but do check the temps..just to be on the safe side. |
Just as an aside on this specific matter. Eating regularly without defecation can become a real problem. Some species are known to "hold things in" for quite a while, and will normally eat several times before defecating. Others tend let it loose in a more timely manner. As a general rule, I recommend not giving more than 3 meals if the snake hasn't defecated. Make sure the snake is drinking, as proper hydration helps keep things moving along. If your BP isn't defecating, you might want to give him a soak in some shallow lukewarm water.
*Depending on the substrate you use, and the size of the snake, sometimes it can be easy to miss. Don't be afraid to go looking for it
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deborahbroadus
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| hhmoore wrote: | | deborahbroadus wrote: | | SheilaR wrote: | | this is with my snake also she is eating regular and everything but still no poop is this normal?? |
You may want to check your temps (just to be on the safe side) to make sure they are correct so that she can digest the food (no, a heat lamp doesn't really do the job). She may hold it until she sheds and leave you a nice package in the shed..but do check the temps..just to be on the safe side. |
Just as an aside on this specific matter. Eating regularly without defecation can become a real problem. Some species are known to "hold things in" for quite a while, and will normally eat several times before defecating. Others tend let it loose in a more timely manner. As a general rule, I recommend not giving more than 3 meals if the snake hasn't defecated. Make sure the snake is drinking, as proper hydration helps keep things moving along. If your BP isn't defecating, you might want to give him a soak in some shallow lukewarm water.
*Depending on the substrate you use, and the size of the snake, sometimes it can be easy to miss. Don't be afraid to go looking for it |
He's right.
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SheilaR
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Location: New York
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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yeah he is but my worry bout her pooping is over she droped one yesterday and urinated also so thats a good thing
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a_green
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Well, I was about to worry that my Scout's behaviour has changed--I haven't seen her out exploring in days--but I decided I'd better barge into her hide and have a good look at her..... sure enough, she's in shed!!
Hopefully once that gets done she'll be back to her old self. *crosses fingers*
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a_green
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:54 am Post subject: |
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Well, Scout had a perfect shed and left behind a tiny poop & pee with it.... but is still refusing food. Maybe I'll try mice!
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magana559
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| a_green wrote: | | Well, Scout had a perfect shed and left behind a tiny poop & pee with it.... but is still refusing food. Maybe I'll try mice! |
Give It A Try I Know It Worked For Me!
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