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BP_Lover
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 Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 5:06 am Post subject: Crtb |
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what size tank do you need for Colombian red tailed boa ???
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hhmoore
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 6:12 am Post subject: Re: Crtb |
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| BP_Lover wrote: | | what size tank do you need for Colombian red tailed boa ??? |
How big is it?
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BP_Lover
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: |
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for when he is fully grown he will be around 7-8 feet how big should the tank be??
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hhmoore
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 8:28 am Post subject: |
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Colombian "red tail" boas (males & females) can, and commonly do, get larger than that. I personally dislike tanks for any tropical species, but they can be used for juvenile to subadults if one is so inclined. (remember that all the problems people encounter trying to maintain heat and humidity in small tanks just get bigger along with the size of the tank). A 4x2 cage (not the wire kind, lol) works pretty well for a single boa in the 6-8 ft range...once they hit 9 ft, you'll be thinking the cage looks too small.
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BP_Lover
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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i was thinking of getting a boaphille tanks that is 6ft long 2ft wide and 17.5 feet high would this be good for his entire life...
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hhmoore
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| BP_Lover wrote: | | i was thinking of getting a boaphille tanks that is 6ft long 2ft wide and 17.5 feet high would this be good for his entire life... |
Absolutely.....
but I'd recommend a shorter cage, 
(you don't mean you are going to start out a baby/juvie in a cage that size, do you?)
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deborahbroadus
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| hhmoore wrote: | | BP_Lover wrote: | | i was thinking of getting a boaphille tanks that is 6ft long 2ft wide and 17.5 feet high would this be good for his entire life... |
Absolutely.....
but I'd recommend a shorter cage,
(you don't mean you are going to start out a baby/juvie in a cage that size, do you?) |
Why not?
Why have a bunch of cages for each lenght of their lives? Why not have ONE size cage that they can grow into, and while they are growing, they can have a cage filled with hides and what not.
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hhmoore
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| deborahbroadus wrote: | Why not?
Why have a bunch of cages for each lenght of their lives? Why not have ONE size cage that they can grow into, and while they are growing, they can have a cage filled with hides and what not. |
I didn't say anything about a bunch of cages...but a 6x2x? cage for a 10-12" baby, or even a 2 ft Juvie is overkill. Just think about trying to find him at feeding time, lol...nevermind trying to heat a cage that size with essentially no thermal mass inside.
If this conversation were about BPs, would you have responded the same way about putting a hatchling in a 4x2 cage?
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deborahbroadus
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| hhmoore wrote: | | deborahbroadus wrote: | Why not?
Why have a bunch of cages for each lenght of their lives? Why not have ONE size cage that they can grow into, and while they are growing, they can have a cage filled with hides and what not. |
I didn't say anything about a bunch of cages...but a 6x2x? cage for a 10-12" baby, or even a 2 ft Juvie is overkill. Just think about trying to find him at feeding time, lol...nevermind trying to heat a cage that size with essentially no thermal mass inside.
If this conversation were about BPs, would you have responded the same way about putting a hatchling in a 4x2 cage? |
I see, and yes, I would have responded the same way. In fact, some of us start out with the size cage that the snake will end up with. We simply put larger heat mats to effectively control the heat and keep it in the ranges needed.
The solution of all the unnecessary space and stress is resolved by putting lots of hides in there to break up the open spaces, and plenty of fake plants or something. 
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deborahbroadus
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| deborahbroadus wrote: | | hhmoore wrote: | | deborahbroadus wrote: | Why not?
Why have a bunch of cages for each lenght of their lives? Why not have ONE size cage that they can grow into, and while they are growing, they can have a cage filled with hides and what not. |
I didn't say anything about a bunch of cages...but a 6x2x? cage for a 10-12" baby, or even a 2 ft Juvie is overkill. Just think about trying to find him at feeding time, lol...nevermind trying to heat a cage that size with essentially no thermal mass inside.
If this conversation were about BPs, would you have responded the same way about putting a hatchling in a 4x2 cage? |
I see, and yes, I would have responded the same way. In fact, some of us start out with the size cage that the snake will end up with. We simply put larger heat mats to effectively control the heat and keep it in the ranges needed.
The solution of all the unnecessary space and stress is resolved by putting lots of hides in there to break up the open spaces, and plenty of fake plants or something. |
Let me just add, I may also have suggested that he used a "tub" set up in the mean time. Just wondered for an animal that gets that large, why not just get the cage it will ultimately use?
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hhmoore
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Understood...and, to an extent, I agree...
but the more stuff you put in a big cage to make a tiny snake comfortable and secure, the more trouble you have finding him when you want him.
Also, as mentioned, achieving a suitable environment (temp and humidity included) in a large cage is much harder when the snake is small. The snake's mass (when it is bigger, at least) actually helps stabilize temperatures within the enclosure.
Further, as you know, there is a HUGE size difference between your average adult BP and an adult boa; along with what is considered "appropriate" housing for each species.
When you look at neonate size, starting a baby BP in a 32qt box is probably comparable to starting a baby boa in a 41 qt - except many BP keepers would keep a female BP in that size tub for her whole life...the keeper of a female boa could not get away with that.
I'm not saying it can't be done...and if one is willing to devote the time, space, energy, and money into maintaining an environment that size from the start, 
but...on the other hand, isn't the author of this thread the same person whose mother responded to his/her request for a BP with a resounding NO? Why would a boa, especially with such a large enclosure, be allowed, when a BP - with its relatively small space demand - is declined?
(I know, nobody said size had anything to do with it...but it usually does)
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hhmoore
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| deborahbroadus wrote: | | Let me just add, I may also have suggested that he used a "tub" set up in the mean time. Just wondered for an animal that gets that large, why not just get the cage it will ultimately use? |
A good point, and a suggestion I would have made if I thought it the purchase was going to happen.
Another thing I consider is the likelihood of any given person keeping a baby boa through adulthood. This is not directed at the OP in any way, but far too many people that purchase larger snakes end up getting rid of them before (or when) they reach full size. In the case of a minor, what is going to happen when he/she graduates highschool? Going to take the HUGE snake cage to college? Leave it home for mom to deal with? Find it a new home?
I would be more inclined to suggest a smaller (*not necessarily small*), more easily managed enclosure to start with...and upgrading when it becomes necessary.
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deborahbroadus
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Ahh. I understand now...boy, I learn something new everyday! 
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BP_Lover
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:40 am Post subject: |
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[/quote]but a 6x2x? cage for a 10-12" baby, or even a 2 ft Juvie is overkill
im will be building a wooden separator so the cage will only be 3ft long 2ft wide 17.5in tall and then take it out when he reaches like 4 1/2 feet.. and it comes pre heated and im buying a helix thermostat to contol temp anything else lol...
| Quote: | why not just get the cage it will ultimately use?
i agree why buy so many cages when he will get big enough and outgrow them all this bloody pointless ( im not British i just like that word lol)
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mother responded to his/her request for a BP with a resounding NO
It is non of you concern why i can now..
| Quote: | Going to take the HUGE snake cage to college? Leave it home for mom to deal with? Find it a new home?
one of my friends is a boa keeper he will be watching it for me and i will pay for food and substrate, well he is actually my dad's friend |
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BP_Lover
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:42 am Post subject: |
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lol the above is messed up just read all the way thought it makes sense but in new a using quotes
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