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ryancbj22
Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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| Quote: | i obviously cared very much if she got better..do you agree? If no, then you're missing the point.
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Okay you say your snake got better. If this is the case then what disease or infection did your bp have? How did it get better, what steps did YOU take to make it better? Other than moving it to another side of the house. You say your snake got better and you beat it, but the reality is you don't even know what your snake had to begin with! How do you treat something when your not even sure what the hell it is. There was a whole other thread about how you thought it is was IBD. I'm done with this thread you have my two cents as well as a lot of the other's on this forum take as you wish. I think you and junkopardner should start your own forum! 
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pdig69
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[quote="ryancbj22] How do you treat something when your not even sure what the hell it is. There was a whole other thread about how you thought it is was IBD. [quote]
Signs Ryan, the BP's symptoms. I thought it was IBD because I'm an ass and read too much material on the internet. I wanted second opinions about IBD in snakes. I didn't want to go by the internet, but apparently no one heres has owned a BP with IBD.
Ryan, what would you do if your snake got sick? Everything you can.... that is what I did.
And deb I thought you were insulting me by calling me a troll, I didn't know what to think  Then, I saw on another forum the troll section and they were banned..  .. It turns out I needed a memory card instead of batteries, so I'm going to return the batteries today and post pics tonight.
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pdig69
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| hhmoore wrote: | The fact that YOU had that concern & were going to give it away is the problem...because your decision to do so reflects on you (regardless of whether the person you were giving the snake to believed you, or whether the snake actually had IBD).
Actually - one last question. Does your vet want these snakes to pad his collection...or is he conducting some form of research? |
Truthfully, I didn't get into detail with him as to why, all he said was he adopts or takes in sick snakes to make them better. He's treated close to a dozen within the past six months and they've mainly recovered.
Most of the problems around here arise from kids getting snakes and not knowing how to properly care for them(thx to major retailers), and the parents want nothing to do with it. Then, he takes them in. That is all I got.
And FYI, I just wanted a second opinion on IBD in snakes. Like I said, I was overly concerned at the time. OVERLY, no one has IBD here, I just wanted opinions from people who had first hand knowledge. I'm kinda glad it came down like this in a way, because now I'm not nearly as worried as I was before regarding IBD cases.
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ryancbj22
Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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Location: Columbus Ohio
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Ryan, what would you do if your snake got sick? Everything you can.... that is what I did. Answer your question? |
I would do exactly that everything I possibly could to insure the health of my pet. Whether it be a bp or a stray cat or a $25 snake or a $1,000 snake. I would insure the proper care to that animal because as a pet owner it is my responsibilty. If your snake could have it would have got up and gone to the vet just like when your sick you go to the doctor, but the harsh reality is it can't so it relies on you to do it. No this didn't answer my question. The point i'm saying is you didn't do anything to better your pet you simply moved him. That's your choice what you do, but don't come on here acting cocky and saying you beat this and you beat that. You didn't do anything because it wasn't worth it too you.
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ryancbj22
Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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Location: Columbus Ohio
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | And FYI, I just wanted a second opinion on IBD in snakes. Like I said, I was overly concerned at the time. OVERLY, no one has IBD here, I just wanted opinions from people who had first hand knowledge. I'm kinda glad it came down like this in a way, because now I'm not nearly as worried as I was before regarding IBD cases.
I have a sick one downstairs, should i give him up?? i posted a thread about him, took shots of his face. it looks like mouth rot. I don't think I've seen him stargaze, but when he poops it's jelly watery and messy. Nothing solid, I'm worried about her. Especially for the well being of my others.
Is a one floor difference from the healthy ones good enough to not get the IBD, if the sick one does have it? I dont even know right now if she does.
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You asked question's about your snake having IBD! You got answer's and advice from other people on this forum and you made the decision's that you wanted and that's fine, but don't backtrack and try and say one thing and then change it later to cover things!
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pdig69
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yes, i asked about second opinions from anyone with first hand experience, no one had any, and everyone says mouth rot isn't a tell-tale sign of IBD. But it had to come to this for me to find out.
It's not that I didn't do anything, thats an incorrect assumption. I just followed to Vet's advice, and he was right. Thats all that matters, snake seems to be improving, he was right in the fact I didn't need to test him. If it was IBD, she'd be a lot worse off by now. I was monitoring the BP very intently and doing everything I should, not going into detail because you should know what to do for a sick BP and I already answered your question, which is everything you can. There is a line when and when not to go to the vet, I've already dealt with my Dr. in the past and he was the one to wait it out. So you know and stop assuming the worst.
Don't be upset because I won't test an inexpensive snake, I'd rather have a professional vet take care of him/her anyways if I can't get one better. It saves me money and time and I'm protecting the rest of my children, which is most important! I'd be negligent if I didn't try and monitor the bp's health, left them without heat, and without water. Stop acting like this is the case ryan, I'll post pics later of my setup. Maybe you'll change your opinion.
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pdig69
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="ryancbj22"] | Quote: |
No this didn't answer my question. The point i'm saying is you didn't do anything to better your pet you simply moved him. That's your choice what you do, but don't come on here acting cocky and saying you beat this and you beat that. You didn't do anything because it wasn't worth it too you. |
assuming the worst there. If she got better, I obviously took care of the BP. The bp was sick when I got it, she's been downstairs since. Assuming I had a sick snake with a healthy collection shows your inexperience right there. Already I can tell you never had a sick snake, so your only reaction to anything with your BP would be "bring her to vet."
Thank goodness I developed a freindship with my local animal hospital Dr. to give me advice when I need it. This has helped me greatly.
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ryancbj22
Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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Location: Columbus Ohio
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Assuming I had a sick snake with a healthy collection shows your inexperience right there. |
First of all this is why I said I was done with this thread, because it from one thing to the next. hhmoore handled that, and all I did was put my two cents in. If you didn't want to hear it than you should have ignored it. I never assumed anything I went by what you said in your post, so if i'm wrong about something than it was posted wrong by you, all the info I got was from your post.
As far as saying that's my inexperience that's a pretty bold statement. First of all you don't know me you don't know how long i've owned snakes you don't know how many I have. You don't know the expierence that I have with snakes if I have any at all, correct? That's an assumption I can give the definent term for assumption if you want i'll quote it from the dictionary if you want just as I quoted your previous statements. Or will the quote from the dictionary be wrong also? I assumed nothing I merely said why are you willing to drop X amount of dollar's on a new snake, but you refuse to care for the one that really deserve's it. The fact is your talking about purchasing another snake from someone and neglecting the proper care that is needed for the one you already have. I emphasize the word PROPER very seriously. The thought was that other snake that you were wanting to purchase will still be there 6 months from now why not stop neglecting the one that's sick and divert some of you attention to it? It's your collection and your money no doubt about it. Your ultimately going to do what you think is best, but when you post your concerns on here it open's the doors for other's to put there two cent's in as I did. As for the experience comment as I said you know nothing about me or any education that I have. I think you'd be surprised on the amount of education or experience I have. You made that statement in the dark and if come's too it i'll prove the experience and education I have. As far as i'm concerned though it's really none of your business. No one on this forum is a vet nor does anyone exactly consider themselves experts by any means. We give advice and or direction from what we've learned over the years and year's of dealing with these specific animals. There may be a few vets on here I made that statement assuming, but even if they are this is one of those things. Who's to say that one person is right or the next person is wrong. The fact is one thing may work great for one person that may be terrible for someone else. It's just one of those things that's on a suggestion basis and you have to learn to take sound advice form someone who has knowledge of the particular subject that is being refferred too.
I'm not here to argue or attempt to put down the way you run your set-up. At this point I don't care what you do. If someone come's along and ask for help on this forum I personally will do everything I can to answer the queston's with the best of my knowledge. I was there once as was everyone else when your first starting out and your lost it sucks but then you find some place like this that is willing to answer your questions and it's not just from one person it's multiple people sharing there experience's with what worked for them and what didn't. Sure there's conflicting answer's sometimes, but that falls into the reader's hands to choose what the best and optimal answer is for there situation. Some of things you posted made me mad I have that right to disagree with your statements. The way your doing things bugs me. I'm an animal lover whether it be snake's, dogs, cat's (which I hate) I would never do anything to neglect or harm an animal. Even if it was a poisinus snake that was doing everything in it's power to harm me if it needed some sort of medical attention than I would take the nessasary attempts to do everything I could for that animal. No animal deserves to be mistreated or neglected from medical care when it's needed.
I'm not saying you didn't do anything for your snake's, but what exactly was done is what I was after. Don't bother replying to that cause I don't care what you did at this point. What p***sed me off was you getting on a thread and saying I beat it I beat it or whatever the hell it was.
And as for me never having any sick snake's your wrong again. I have only had one sick snake, because my quarantine and cleaning schedules are prestine. That snake is probably the healthiest snake that I own to this date. The fact is I when owning as many snake's as I do your bound to run into problems sooner or later and I think everyone on here would agree. That's when you the owner come's into play it's how you handle the snake being sick. Sure I could have just thrown the snake I had that was sick in the trash, or pawned her off on someone else, hell I could have done what so many do and opened my back door and let her go, but I took the innicitive to take care of the problem and happily everything worked out for the best. I have only had one sick snake in my possesion over the year's (knock on wood) but I have delt with more sick snake's than I ever cared to see. Again your assumptions.....
That's my two cent's take it or leave it. I'm not even expecting a response on your part, but feel free to vent.....
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deborahbroadus
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="pdig69"] | ryancbj22 wrote: | | Quote: |
No this didn't answer my question. The point i'm saying is you didn't do anything to better your pet you simply moved him. That's your choice what you do, but don't come on here acting cocky and saying you beat this and you beat that. You didn't do anything because it wasn't worth it too you. |
assuming the worst there. If she got better, I obviously took care of the BP. The bp was sick when I got it, she's been downstairs since. Assuming I had a sick snake with a healthy collection shows your inexperience right there. Already I can tell you never had a sick snake, so your only reaction to anything with your BP would be "bring her to vet."
Thank goodness I developed a freindship with my local animal hospital Dr. to give me advice when I need it. This has helped me greatly. |
No, IF she got better, if she IS better it means nothing. We do not even know if it is better. At this point you can post a picture of any snake and claim it was the "sick" one.
Not attacking you and not calling you a troll. But a Troll does (among other things) make claims and does not back them up with evidence. Says things that he knows will upset members and then "back peddles."
You must re-read your post about the experiment with open eyes, and re-read your post (the first one) about your snake. 
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pdig69
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| ryancbj22 wrote: | | Quote: | | Assuming I had a sick snake with a healthy collection shows your inexperience right there. |
As far as saying that's my inexperience that's a pretty bold statement. First of all you don't know me you don't know how long i've owned snakes you don't know how many I have. You don't know the expierence that I have with snakes if I have any at all, correct? |
I was trying to prove a point by saying that, and I think it worked well. I don't like assumptions thrown at me either and you had them in your last posts.
[quote="ryancbj22"] | Quote: | | Assuming That's when you the owner come's into play it's how you handle the snake being sick. Sure I could have just thrown the snake I had that was sick in the trash, or pawned her off on someone else, hell I could have done what so many do and opened my back door and let her go, but I took the innicitive to take care of the problem and happily everything worked out for the best. |
It was either going to the vet's care, or I was going to take care of it. The part about the money had to directly do with giving the BP to the vet if it needed more medical attention than I can give it for free. In combination with, the problem being deadly and/or it needed tons of meds.
Thats when I call Jim, and say "Hey Jim! oh wow, that sounds terrible! Anyways, this ball python I purchased a month ago is leaking blood out of its butt!..Can you believe that!?. I've been using de-mite on her as well because she had some critters all over her nostrils... She absolutely hates the chlorhexidine baths, but I haven't seen the mites back in action for close to two weeks now. This blood thing is gross...no..nope. Not exactly, she just shed a week ago and it came off in two pieces. Ok... I mean, the mouse wasn't that big I don't think...wait...hmmm, I was wondering why there was a darker stain then the color poo she excreted on the paper towel. haha she bit off more than she can chew that gavone! Ok, I'll watch for anything abnormal, if nothing she's mine Jim. I know, I'll call you first thing and swing by asap if I see more blood, then you can do your thing you do best. Great, awesome guy you are. I'll let you get back to your canines colon cleansing, haha sounds exhilerating! ttyl Jim"
So, if this imaginary snake were to bleed again, Jim would advise me to stop by so he can check it out and probably convince me to let him take it into his rehabilitation room he has setup in his office, and he'll let me know of her progress. You know, I should ask him if he sells them, or gives them away after they become better. I'd assume he'd donate them to other loving parents, but now I've made myself curious.
AH pictures,
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deborahbroadus
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Because nothing futher can be learned from this thread, it has been locked.
69 if you are ever going to post pics, create another thread.
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