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[RonCrawford]

[pdig69]

First Time Post Here!

Hey mods, you guys seem to be helping the community tremendously, just want to say good job! And thanks for your help spreading your ball knowledge

I have a couple questions, hope you can help!

Do you have any websites that explain double and triple het?

*If not: Can you briefly give me an example of how to produce these with any exceptions?

*If so: THanks!! I will read up as much as I can.

Now, I have scenarios in my mind that just needs clarification.

If I breed a co-dominant with a dominant morph, I will have the possibility of creating an entriely different snake, blending wise? correct?

If I breed recessive to a co-dominant morph, how do the variations come out?
Example:
homo albino x pastel

1. Snake looks like a pastel, will it be poss het albino? or will it be a def het for albino?

3. And opposite, if the recessive trait comes out and it is a visual albino, will it be het for pastel? or def het for pastel?

Or are these examples only answered by breeding them back to the parents and/or sis's/bro's to prove the ball being a def het?

I plan on breeding lots n lots of balls! i have a lemon pastel, a spider, n i think i have two sick normals in quarantine. But I am building my collection quickly and hope to have a positive breeding season next year! I'm trying to understand everything so I can be as good as you guys with your breeding efforts, if you do breed.

WOOO that was a mouthful!

[deborahbroadus]

Since you really want to learn, try this:

http://anthro.palomar.edu/mendel/mendel_2.htm

This will help you understand how the genetics work and interact with each other.

It even has a practice sheet so you can practice your queries and gain a greater understanding!

[NickMyers03]

Hey mods, you guys seem to be helping the community tremendously, just want to say good job! And thanks for your help spreading your ball knowledge

Thanks

I have a couple questions, hope you can help!

Sure

Do you have any websites that explain double and triple het?

there are a few but most will confuse you more LOL

*If not: Can you briefly give me an example of how to produce these with any exceptions?

example of two recessive morphs

Piebald X Albino
when you breed these two together you will produce all normal looking animals that are 100% double het albino pied. ( 100% het for each gene)
if you breed the 100% hets together you have a chance to prouduce a piebaldalbino. you will also produce albinos 66% het pied, pieds 66% het albino, 66% double het albino pied. now the 66% means that 66% of the babies will have the gene and the other 34% will not be het. thats why % are a gamble. i never like to do Possible hets because you never really know.

Now take that piebald albino and breed it to a axanthic. you will produce triple het pied albino axanthic. breed those triple hets together you have a small chance to produce a tripple recessive morph... now i wont get into the % because some are as low as 2.5%. better just to say you have a chance. you will also produce in the triple het clutch: albino pieds, axanthic pieds, Snows, pied snow ( the tripple), axanthic, albino, pieds all 66% hets for the other two genes. and normals that are 66% hets

*If so: THanks!! I will read up as much as I can.

Now, I have scenarios in my mind that just needs clarification.

If I breed a co-dominant with a dominant morph, I will have the possibility of creating an entriely different snake, blending wise? correct?

example Pastel ( co-dom) X Spider ( dom )

you will get pastels, spiders, normals and BEES ( a blending of the two genes)

If I breed recessive to a co-dominant morph, how do the variations come out?
Example:
homo albino x pastel


you would get Pastels and Normals all 100% het for albino


1. Snake looks like a pastel, will it be poss het albino? or will it be a def het for albino?

100% het if bred to a visual Albino

3. And opposite, if the recessive trait comes out and it is a visual albino, will it be het for pastel? or def het for pastel?

No such thing as a het for a co-dom animal. the meaning of co-dom is that it has a super and each clutch will contain 50% ( on average) Normals and the co-dom morph. Dom means the same thing with the 50% clutch but that there is no Super.

recessive is just that, a gene that will stay hidden unless both parents are able to pass it off to one offspring.


Or are these examples only answered by breeding them back to the parents and/or sis's/bro's to prove the ball being a def het?

I plan on breeding lots n lots of balls! i have a lemon pastel, a spider, n i think i have two sick normals in quarantine. But I am building my collection quickly and hope to have a positive breeding season next year! I'm trying to understand everything so I can be as good as you guys with your breeding efforts, if you do breed.

WOOO that was a mouthful! [/quote]

[Buck_99]

[pdig69]

[pdig69]

K, that couldn't have been explained any better, man you'd probably have to read pages and pages of material with what you summed up in 4 lines or so! Thanks so much



[b]No such thing as a het for a co-dom animal. the meaning of co-dom is that it has a super and each clutch will contain 50% ( on average) Normals and the co-dom morph. Dom means the same thing with the 50% clutch but that there is no Super.


Alright, before I store this info 3 things!
1~ has to do with this quote.... thats how u get supers...awesome,... now, do the normals from this clutch of (co-dom x albino) carry the het gene for an albino?
If not, why!
If so, i figured it would!

Dom = a cluth containing 50% of the visual morphs and 50% normals. there is NO super with Dom animals ( spider, pinstripe) as there is with co-doms.

<<>you talking about triple hets"".....you will also produce in the triple het clutch: albino pieds, axanthic pieds, Snows, pied snow ( the tripple), axanthic, albino, pieds all 66% hets for the other two genes. and normals that are 66% hets""

that pied snow i would love to get! what would it look like? and would it have any albino characteristics? or how would that triple recessive workout completely so i know what to look for when i get my first one!!

you guys might play a big part in the evolution of my balls!! i'll be posting pics and vids of everything you can help me with! thx for the support in my first rampage of questions. the rest wont be as complicated, i just needed clarification on prob the hardest part. Such a big help

ohHHH btw! haha funny story/happy/excited.... i lost my first snake we kept as a house pet after we had her for two months, nothing. tried everything!! we found a lot of suspect holes that led to the floor boards, so depressed i lost my love...her name was Trouser ....my other three roommates are downstairs tonight, we're trying to watch forrest gump, one guy runs upstairs to grab video cables from his room. LOW AND BEHOLD HE COMES RUNNING DOWNSTAIRS SCREAMING~~~ SNAKE IN MY ROOOOOM!! My Trouser just played the best April fools joke on us out of all the years I can remember!! out of all the days!! she comes searching for us on April Fools Day! WOOO, what a wonderful night it is

[deborahbroadus]

[Buck_99]

[NickMyers03]

was re reading my post and realized i put dom= no normals... that is WRONG lol. this is what happens when your trying to type posts while listening to your co-worker complain about problems at home.

Dom when bred to a normal will contain 50% visual dom and 50% normals ( on average)

i have changed the posts to reflect this.

a super form of a pastel or any other codom animal will produce 100% visual morphs in every clutch they sire.

[dragon2285]

i'm still trying to figure out all these genetic terms but how does one breed a LEUCISTIC? sorry bout caps i just copy n paste cuz kinda lazy to type haha

[Number 2]

You need to breed two mojaves to POSSIBLY get a blue eyed Lucy!

I have no idea how the create the black eyed lucy though.

[NickMyers03]

Mojave X Mojave = Blue eye Lucy with purple head

Lesser X Lesser = blue eye lucy pure white

Butter X Butter = blue eye lucy pure white

any combo of these three morph will produce a blue eye lucy.. mojave to lesser or butter will not have a purple head, this only happens with mojave to mojave breedings

black eye lucy

Fire X Fire = black eye lucy NOT pure white ( has a lot of yellow)
vin russo het = normal looking ball that is het lucy

[Feral]

I looked but did not see it anywhere and was just curious, do you get anything special from breeding two spiders together? And when breeding a spider to a normal the clutches are 50% normal and 50% spider in theory correct? And does the same go for pastels to normals? Was just wondering.

[NickMyers03]

spider X spider = spiders and normals, no super in spiders or pinstripes

spider x normal = spiders and normals

pastel x normal = pastels and normals