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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6873 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject: Head cocked sideways? |
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Has anyone had a rat that looks normal one day and like Mr. Wibbles the second?
So far, I have had two full grown rats come down with what looks like a crick in the neck. Both females, both walking with heads cocked and they can't straighten them out.
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RonCrawford Site Admin

Joined: 04 May 2006 Posts: 2047 Location: Pottsville, PA (USA)
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:51 am Post subject: |
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I know what you're talking about and I'm not sure what it is. It gets worse so I put them down when I see this happen in females (never saw this in males yet).
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6873 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| RonCrawford wrote: | | I know what you're talking about and I'm not sure what it is. It gets worse so I put them down when I see this happen in females (never saw this in males yet). |
Ok, thanks. That's what I have been doing so far. As with you, it's only the females so far. I had been thinking that it was like pregnant women..sometimes the baby is laying on a nerve and the mother's face looks like she had a stroke as a result of the placement of the baby.
I try and wait a while to see if they are pregnant, but eventually the fear of something spreading has me dispatching! 
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Deedle
Joined: 19 May 2007 Posts: 280 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Ive seen this with a lot of overly imbred rats. Mostly at a petstore that used to be here in town.
At one time We had about 12 female breeders and 4 males all the females and males came from different sources, never once had a problem with any of them.
We've roughly had about 60-70 female breeder rats and never any problems.
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6873 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Deedle wrote: | Ive seen this with a lot of overly imbred rats. Mostly at a petstore that used to be here in town.
At one time We had about 12 female breeders and 4 males all the females and males came from different sources, never once had a problem with any of them.
We've roughly had about 60-70 female breeder rats and never any problems. |
Since I got this rat full grown (breeding size) and it's not one of my collection then it would mean that my supplier is over breeding? how do you get every rat from a different supplier? I order in batches of 10 or 20 there are only 2 suppliers around me (petco banned me ) So how do you ensure that all your animals are of different stock?
If it hasn't happened to you yet, you are lucky..but NEVER is a long time. 
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Deedle
Joined: 19 May 2007 Posts: 280 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| deborahbroadus wrote: | | Deedle wrote: | Ive seen this with a lot of overly imbred rats. Mostly at a petstore that used to be here in town.
At one time We had about 12 female breeders and 4 males all the females and males came from different sources, never once had a problem with any of them.
We've roughly had about 60-70 female breeder rats and never any problems. |
Since I got this rat full grown (breeding size) and it's not one of my collection then it would mean that my supplier is over breeding? how do you get every rat from a different supplier? I order in batches of 10 or 20 there are only 2 suppliers around me (petco banned me ) So how do you ensure that all your animals are of different stock?
If it hasn't happened to you yet, you are lucky..but NEVER is a long time.  |
Well considering Im out of the rat breeding business for now atleast
Theres a couple "big" rodent places a couple hours away, you can buy live, and they do not inbreed over their, (it will happen time to time, but not overly)
What I will generally do is buy females and males from one supplier, and then females and males from another supplier and have supplier 1s males breed suppliers 2s females, and vice versa.
I guess its possible that she hurt herself climbing? But Not likely
That many rats were to much work to be honest Maybe if I had a big freedom breeder rodent rack it would be so bad.
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6873 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Deedle wrote: | | deborahbroadus wrote: | | Deedle wrote: | Ive seen this with a lot of overly imbred rats. Mostly at a petstore that used to be here in town.
At one time We had about 12 female breeders and 4 males all the females and males came from different sources, never once had a problem with any of them.
We've roughly had about 60-70 female breeder rats and never any problems. |
Since I got this rat full grown (breeding size) and it's not one of my collection then it would mean that my supplier is over breeding? how do you get every rat from a different supplier? I order in batches of 10 or 20 there are only 2 suppliers around me (petco banned me ) So how do you ensure that all your animals are of different stock?
If it hasn't happened to you yet, you are lucky..but NEVER is a long time.  |
Well considering Im out of the rat breeding business for now atleast
Theres a couple "big" rodent places a couple hours away, you can buy live, and they do not inbreed over their, (it will happen time to time, but not overly)
What I will generally do is buy females and males from one supplier, and then females and males from another supplier and have supplier 1s males breed suppliers 2s females, and vice versa.
I guess its possible that she hurt herself climbing? But Not likely
That many rats were to much work to be honest Maybe if I had a big freedom breeder rodent rack it would be so bad. |
Ok, I understand. Yes!! for the Freedom..that's next on my list. But for now I have some homemade rat racks..they do the job and since they are automatic watering they take the "chore" out of the chore..somewhat.
No, she didn't hurt herself climbing...I guess, I'll just watch more carefully, but good to know it's not contagious?
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Deedle
Joined: 19 May 2007 Posts: 280 Location: Texas
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't think it to be, but then again who knows?
I guess you should keep an watch out and if it starts to spread take them all out clean everything and put down the ones affected.
Home made stuff works just fine, and yes I hated having to replace water bottles for 20 minutes a day LOL 
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6873 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, after debating with myself, this is what I have decided to do and have done.
I have placed the weebler in a tub by herself with plenty of food and water. I want to see her progress.
Ron do you have any pictures of what it eventually looks like as the condition progresses?
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RonCrawford Site Admin

Joined: 04 May 2006 Posts: 2047 Location: Pottsville, PA (USA)
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| deborahbroadus wrote: | Ok, after debating with myself, this is what I have decided to do and have done.
I have placed the weebler in a tub by herself with plenty of food and water. I want to see her progress.
Ron do you have any pictures of what it eventually looks like as the condition progresses? |
No Deb, sorry. Never figured to pull out the polaroid and snap a pic. I'll remember next time. 
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JLWilliams
Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 172 Location: Deeeeeetroit
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| RonCrawford wrote: | | deborahbroadus wrote: | Ok, after debating with myself, this is what I have decided to do and have done.
I have placed the weebler in a tub by herself with plenty of food and water. I want to see her progress.
Ron do you have any pictures of what it eventually looks like as the condition progresses? |
No Deb, sorry. Never figured to pull out the polaroid and snap a pic. I'll remember next time.  |
Polaroid? WTF mate?!?! Digital cameras!
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Radical
Joined: 21 Aug 2006 Posts: 374 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:02 am Post subject: |
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http://www.rmca.org/Articles/qna2_98.htm
Q. HEAD TILT
My rat’s head is tilted to one side and she’s having a hard time walking. She falls over sometimes and can’t get her balance back. What could be wrong with her?
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Her condition, commonly referred to as "wry neck" could be caused by a number of things, but the most likely cause is an inner ear infection. She will need to be seen by your vet to determine whether or not her eardrum is still intact and to decide upon the proper course of treatment. If the cause is an infection, she definitely will need to be treated with antibiotics from your vet, but he may also prescribe an ear drop which contains both a topical antibiotic and an anti-inflammatory drug.
In most cases with this treatment, it only takes a few days for a rat to get its balance back, but the treatment must be continued for at least one to two weeks.
Another possible cause of head tilt can be a pituitary tumor, which is more common in older female rats, but can be seen in younger rats and even in male rats. There is no treatment for this condition that will cure it, however, anti-inflammatory drugs, such as Prednisone or Dexamethasone, may reduce the swelling slightly and prolong the life of the rat for a short time. Spaying female rats is said to reduce the risk of pituitary tumors, but it is still no guarantee.
A stroke is another possibility. Again, it would be more common in older rats, but it’s not impossible for a younger rat to have a stroke. Anti- inflammatory drugs may help in this situation, too, but for the most part, only time will tell if the damage is permanent or not. In many cases, a full recovery from a stroke can be made in a short period of time (a few days to a week).
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6873 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Wow Radical!!
You beat me to it!! I came across similar information and was about to share it.
The Complete Care (made easy) RATS by Debbie Ducommun:
"Respiratory disease is the overriding health problem and cause of death in rats. Mycoplasmosis and two viruses, the Sendai virus and sialodacryoadenitis (SDA), are leading causes of respiratory symptoms. (None of these organisms is infectious to humans.) Rats can also acquire a strep infection, which is usually fatal within three days unless treated. A strep infection can be transmitted from people to rats, so anyone with strep throat should stay away from rats."
" A respiratory infection often invades the inner ear. This throws off the rat's balance, causing his head to tilt to one side. Prompt treatment with antibiotics and steroids can usally reverse the symptoms. If treatment is delayed, the symptoms can progress until the rat walks in a circle or rolls over and over and permanent damage to the rat's sense of balance can result. A rat with severely impaired balance has trouble eating and drinking and may need to be euthanized."
Thanks for your input Radical!! 
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