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RonCrawford Site Admin

Joined: 04 May 2006 Posts: 2047 Location: Pottsville, PA (USA)
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:30 am Post subject: Why do you think ball pythons never developed venom? |
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Just curious to know your thoughts about this.
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Cryptly
Joined: 25 Jun 2006 Posts: 58 Location: NY
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:32 am Post subject: |
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I don't know. . . :?
Now I'm curious about this. They obviously don't need venom for defense. Their size, coloring and patterns allow them to hide from predators really well (along with being nocturnal). But, what caused them to evolve to constrict prey, rather than develop venom glands (BPs as well as other constrictors)?
I must know the answer to this now. . .
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lindsey_marshall00
Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 568
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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because the all mighty did not want it to be that is why
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Moshi
Joined: 23 Jul 2006 Posts: 303 Location: Pinellas Park Fl
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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I think a better question would be "how did other snakes evolve to get vemon glands?" They are the abnormal ones!
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6873 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Venomous snakes use their poison as a way to capture their prey. This is their method of killing. Since most venomous snakes make sound, they do not have a lot of time to sneak up on their prey...thus they must strike fast and hard if they are to survive. They are also not constrictors.
Balls, on the other hand, are extremely well adapted to capturing and killing prey. Balls constrict. They are soundless killers, and their coloring helps them blend in with their surroundings all they need do is wait and the prey comes to them. Thus, they do not need a more efficent way of killing to survive.
Evolution is the means by which animals/reptiles adapt to survive in their environment. Balls are already extremely suited for their environments.
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slitheringin
Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 378 Location: Mountain Home Arkansas
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Ah, but Deb, the venomoids that make sound most oftenmake the sound only when threatened. It is a defense mechanism. They don't make noise before they strike. There are many venomoids that make no sound at all, silently sneaking up on their victims, e.g. most of the Australian snakes.
The venom is used as an immobilizer and also as a pre-digest aid. Since the venomoids don't constrict, they strike and wait until the prey has stopped moving and then begin to feed. The prey is not necessarily dead by the time the snake begins eating. The venom can be hemotoxic, neurotoxic, or both. Also, by the time the snake feeds, the venom has already started the digestive process.
The constrictors, however, have adapted to actually kill their prey before eating. Perhaps the difference lies in the way the food is assimilated.
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6873 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| slitheringin wrote: | Ah, but Deb, the venomoids that make sound most oftenmake the sound only when threatened. It is a defense mechanism. They don't make noise before they strike. There are many venomoids that make no sound at all, silently sneaking up on their victims, e.g. most of the Australian snakes.
The venom is used as an immobilizer and also as a pre-digest aid. Since the venomoids don't constrict, they strike and wait until the prey has stopped moving and then begin to feed. The prey is not necessarily dead by the time the snake begins eating. The venom can be hemotoxic, neurotoxic, or both. Also, by the time the snake feeds, the venom has already started the digestive process.
The constrictors, however, have adapted to actually kill their prey before eating. Perhaps the difference lies in the way the food is assimilated. |
So I got one sentence wrong, sue me!! LOL He asked why we THINK...I didn't take the time to research my answer but called upon my long forgotten school lessons! 
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slitheringin
Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 378 Location: Mountain Home Arkansas
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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But I have too Much time to think. That's my problem BTW, I wasn't showing off, I was just hyped up on coffee and really got into the subject. I was rambling. 
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6873 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| slitheringin wrote: | But I have too Much time to think. That's my problem BTW, I wasn't showing off, I was just hyped up on coffee and really got into the subject. I was rambling.  |
I would love to have some spare time, period! I am not upset that you corrected me; it is impossible for anyone to know EVERYTHING. However, some people give a good inimation of knowing it all! I have had too many children and grandchildren to even begin to think that I have the answer to everything, althought I do have the answer to a lot of things.
I will tell you the secret of a happy life, if you ever want to listen. 
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slitheringin
Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 378 Location: Mountain Home Arkansas
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:19 am Post subject: |
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I'm listening; start telling 
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6873 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| slitheringin wrote: | I'm listening; start telling  |
1.) Always assume that the other person is right! (that way you never have to eat your words)
2.) Eat your words often! (with a smile)
Remember life and humans are mostly ridiculous, so laugh a lot! 
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slitheringin
Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 378 Location: Mountain Home Arkansas
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Got It
I knew I was missing something
Thanks
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6873 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| slitheringin wrote: | Got It
I knew I was missing something
Thanks |
:wink: Anytime!
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