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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6753 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject: Recuperation Tub |
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Don't laugh, I am sure you all can make one that looks much more professional, but I wanted to set it up in a way that you could follow what I was trying to say. Hope this makes sense.
The locking tub is 8.00 at Walmart. I put 4 air holes two at each end.
With the appropriate type tape, tape heat rope at approprite intervals across one end of the tub. (my rope is 50 feet, way too long, so I just put up an example)
Connect thermosat, then add substrate and water tub.
The tub can be set on a melanine piece of wood or any other piece of wood that has the ability to withstand heat.
I find this set up every easy to maintain heat and humidity for snakes. I kept my quarantined snakes in here for months with no escapes and no illnesses.
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valiant
Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 67 Location: Tacoma, Wa
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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did you test it with the heatcable or did you just put it up to show? cuase I couldnt get the heatcable to heat the hotside past 82 and the cool side stayed at 70, I still have to wire up my 11" heattape and put it under.
if you did test it, what did you use for substrate, cuase the only way I could get the temp past 75 is when I used newspaper, when I put aspen in the container, I only got 75 on the hot side and 70 on the cool.
The humidity is amazing with these, when I had aspen in there, it was 76%, newspaper was 68%, this is a great idea and helps wonderfully with humidity.
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6753 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| valiant wrote: | did you test it with the heatcable or did you just put it up to show? cuase I couldnt get the heatcable to heat the hotside past 82 and the cool side stayed at 70, I still have to wire up my 11" heattape and put it under.
if you did test it, what did you use for substrate, cuase the only way I could get the temp past 75 is when I used newspaper, when I put aspen in the container, I only got 75 on the hot side and 70 on the cool.
The humidity is amazing with these, when I had aspen in there, it was 76%, newspaper was 68%, this is a great idea and helps wonderfully with humidity. |
I tested it and didn't even wire it up all the way! I am using the 50 feet wiring though, and it's 150 watts. The same thing is used on the Vision racks and this is the same theory and should heat your tub to the correct level, what wattage of rope are you using?
btw: you don't HAVE to use heat rope, that just happened to be what I had on hand, you can use a small uth.
I use Aspen for substrate with the rope, without the rope and against my radiators, I use paper. It worked well either way.
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valiant
Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 67 Location: Tacoma, Wa
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:41 am Post subject: |
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I think it was 11 feet 50 watt, so it must not be as powerful as the bigger models
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6753 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Maybe not, am not sure. Did you put the thermosat all the way up and wait? How long did you wait? Did you close the top and let it sit for a while? 50 watts isn't as much as 150 true, but I don't see why your rope isn't heating the tub efficently, it's actually better not to have 150 watts.
Try using just paper.
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NickMyers03 Moderator

Joined: 12 Dec 2006 Posts: 1904 Location: fredericksburg va
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:30 am Post subject: |
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if you are using this as quarantine for your snakes what is the difference from having them in this or in a seperate rack system away from the rest of the colony? and if you were to keep the lid on you could still build one and run flexwat down the back for constant heat and just make the openings larger so the tubs would fit in. but again if you are stacking the tubs on top of each other and exposing the snakes to eachother still ( not directly) wouldnt a rack for the newbies work in the same way?
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6753 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| NickMyers03 wrote: | | if you are using this as quarantine for your snakes what is the difference from having them in this or in a seperate rack system away from the rest of the colony? and if you were to keep the lid on you could still build one and run flexwat down the back for constant heat and just make the openings larger so the tubs would fit in. but again if you are stacking the tubs on top of each other and exposing the snakes to eachother still ( not directly) wouldnt a rack for the newbies work in the same way? |
Well, when I used this for my quarantine system, I actually had a batch of snakes from the same place. So I wasn't actually worried, because if one had anything, chances awere that they all had it since they arrived together.
However, you give a good "what if" scenario and one that I hadn't thought of...dang another problem to solve!
Ron how do you resolve this issue, do you quarantine your snakes in the same room?
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RonCrawford Site Admin

Joined: 04 May 2006 Posts: 2021 Location: Pottsville, PA (USA)
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| deborahbroadus wrote: | | NickMyers03 wrote: | | if you are using this as quarantine for your snakes what is the difference from having them in this or in a seperate rack system away from the rest of the colony? and if you were to keep the lid on you could still build one and run flexwat down the back for constant heat and just make the openings larger so the tubs would fit in. but again if you are stacking the tubs on top of each other and exposing the snakes to eachother still ( not directly) wouldnt a rack for the newbies work in the same way? |
Well, when I used this for my quarantine system, I actually had a batch of snakes from the same place. So I wasn't actually worried, because if one had anything, chances awere that they all had it since they arrived together.
However, you give a good "what if" scenario and one that I hadn't thought of...dang another problem to solve!
Ron how do you resolve this issue, do you quarantine your snakes in the same room? |
I have a separate quarantine room far away from the established animals.
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NickMyers03 Moderator

Joined: 12 Dec 2006 Posts: 1904 Location: fredericksburg va
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:46 am Post subject: |
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ok so they are in a diffrent room....so do you keep them in rack systems and expose them to each other or did the gov't hook you up and you have air tight chambers for each and every one ( reason for the gov't being thrown in there is i have seen them underground on base shhhhh! thats all you get from me)...but for real if i am to get a few new ones at the same time i was just wondering how you do this...say you had a shipment of 10 snakes from five diffrent breeders...2 from each one...how would you (RON CRAWFORD) quarantine them?
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6753 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for clarifying my question. I am aware that they are quarantined in a separate room, but are they exposed to each other? Mine were.
I did use Chloradexine and that might have helped prevent any germs spreading, when I cleaned the tubs.
wow..here's a better way to state the question: Do you quarantine all the quarantined snakes in the same room? What procedures keep them from passing germs/bacteria to each other? 
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NickMyers03 Moderator

Joined: 12 Dec 2006 Posts: 1904 Location: fredericksburg va
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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let me include in my other statement about the 10 snakes... some are normals some are in the range of 5,000 a piece and say 2 are 10,000 and more cost wise.. reason i am putting this in is because there are more precautions used with high dollar snakes im guessing so i would like to know what kind of measures you take ( for future knowhow). say these snakes (with diffrent dollar amounts) were mixed through out the new ones from diffrent breeders so there was no way to say snake A and B from breeder 1 can be put together... or is it alot more simple than this...what you guys can see is i have broken it down using a table of breeder 1-5 and snakes A-J...
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RonCrawford Site Admin

Joined: 04 May 2006 Posts: 2021 Location: Pottsville, PA (USA)
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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I have quite a few racks in the quarantine section of my building and each rack houses snakes from their respective source. I have the luxury of keeping snakes from source A separate from source B in their own racks. However, if I had just one rack with five levels and five snakes from five separate sources, I would spray each cage down with Provent-a-mite and place each snake in their individual cage. Hopefully the PAM would stop any mites/ticks from traveling outside the cage to the other cages and hopefully there wouldn't be any sort of airborne virus that could infect the other residents in the rack.
Hope this helps.
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NickMyers03 Moderator

Joined: 12 Dec 2006 Posts: 1904 Location: fredericksburg va
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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ok so you do keep them in the same room in seperate racksystems. would an airborn virus still affect them if spread? i was wondering if what you said would work since that was in a way what deb was doing. next purchase will be 2 more rack systems. one for the new snakes and one for quarantine. i still use PAM and RR when need be so that should prevent mites and ticks but again the virus is what im scared of...i could not think of losing a pied right after i get him/her or any snake for that matter.
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6753 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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I understand!! That's what keeps me from getting the more expensive herps!
I was cleaning the quarantined snake tubs with choloradexine and spraying with P.A.M and "hosing" NO NOT TOO MUCH Snakes down with Reptile relief on a montly basis...Usually when I worked with the snakes I would spray some reptile relief on the snakes when I handled them, and then when I cleaned I would spray the paper and let it dry and then put it in the trays.
The only airborne Virus that is deadly to Boids is IBD. 
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ted1025
Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 309
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| deborahbroadus wrote: | | choloradexine |
do you mean chlorhexidine??
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