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snakesRkewl
Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 1185
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: Egg box help |
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Looking for suggestions for what type of substrate I should use in my egg box.
I'm planning on using a 6 quart sterilite lockable lid box, is this ok, or is locking top an issue?
Should I go with no holes in the egg box and open it daily for air transfer?
Or go with a few holes and let it breath?
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RonCrawford Site Admin

Joined: 04 May 2006 Posts: 2047 Location: Pottsville, PA (USA)
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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The 6qt containers are fine. Adding a small air hole on each opposite end is suggested as well. As far as substrate goes, you might want to look at HatchRite. I've never used it before but I hear that all you have to do is pour it right into the container and you're all set. The other alternative is mixing stuff together (perlite, vermiculate, water, etc.) and if you've never done it before it's possible that you might mix it wrong and cause problems with the eggs during incubation.
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hhmoore
Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 532
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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There are a few things to consider, and a whole bunch of different opinions on the subject. I don't know if it is as prevalent as it seems, but, judging by some forum threads I have been directed to, I get the impression that BP people tend to favor sealed egg boxes. The logic, if I understand it correctly is to minimize moisture loss. Call me lazy, or even cheap, but I tend to grab vacant tubs to put the eggs in. Sometimes they have holes in them, sometimes not...but both versions seem equally effective. Of course, the tubs I use aren't airtight, even without holes. Ventilation isn't a huge issue in the early part of incubation, but, as the process continues, (IMO) it becomes more important.
**Note** If you use tubs with holes, make sure the holes are smaller than the babies that come out of the eggs :roflmao:
HatchRite is supposed to be "the ideal incubation media" - perfect humidity no matter what (as long as you follow the instructios). I've never used it, but some friends have & they experienced significant egg collapse & had to keep adding water...one of them finally dumped the stuff and changed media.
My set up is slightly different for vermiculite and perlite, but not terribly so. I think if you go by the widely accepted practices, both are supposed to be done the same way....but I do my preparations by look & feel, not weights and measurements.
For BP's, I use vermiculite (sometimes with a bit of perlite blended in). It's easily obtainable, relatively cheap, simple to prepare, and holds moisture quite well. It also makes a nice mess when you spill it on the floor
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6873 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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As you can see..either way has its pros and cons.
I personally use the Hatchrite. Although I have the substrate-less boxes, I am not confident as far as making sure they don't "roll" around, so I prefer to use substrate.
My egg boxes do have holes in them, they are adjustable so as Harald said, in the earlier part of the process, the holes are closed..at the latter part when condensation forms and the eggs start to dimple, the holes are opened a bit to reduce condensation.
IMO, I think a roll of flexwatt (with thermostat) could be put on the bottom and sides of a plastic shoe box throw some hatchrite substrate in there and they would do fine with you just lifting the lid once a week to check on them. (you can also mix your own..either way..if it's the wrong mixture, you will have to keep adding water.)
Harald, I have had some good bags and bad bags..the bad ones, I had to keep adding water, but the good ones I didn't have to do anything.
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hhmoore
Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 532
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| deborahbroadus wrote: | | Harald, I have had some good bags and bad bags..the bad ones, I had to keep adding water, but the good ones I didn't have to do anything. |
Sounds like the HatchRite people have some quality control issues to address 
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RonCrawford Site Admin

Joined: 04 May 2006 Posts: 2047 Location: Pottsville, PA (USA)
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| hhmoore wrote: | | deborahbroadus wrote: | | Harald, I have had some good bags and bad bags..the bad ones, I had to keep adding water, but the good ones I didn't have to do anything. |
Sounds like the HatchRite people have some quality control issues to address  | I concur!
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snakesRkewl
Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 1185
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the input, it's very much appreciated.
I've wondered about picking up a humidity gauge that takes humidity levels from the probe, to stick into the tub.
Necessary?
Thanks in advance 
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hhmoore
Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 532
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| snakesRkewl wrote: | Thanks for the input, it's very much appreciated.
I've wondered about picking up a humidity gauge that takes humidity levels from the probe, to stick into the tub.
Necessary?
Thanks in advance  |
You know me & terms like necessary, lol.
How about - it might benefit you, at least in the short term.
I never use a humidity gauge in my egg boxes (big surprise, huh?), so it can't be necessary. Until you are familiar with the process, and the feel/appearance of the media, you might feel more comfortable having a number to look at (reassurance & ease). Some people weigh the egg boxes at regular intervals & add water to maintain the same total weight.
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snakesRkewl
Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 1185
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| hhmoore wrote: |
You know me & terms like necessary |
Yeah I should know better than to use absolutes
| hhmoore wrote: | | Some people weigh the egg boxes at regular intervals & add water to maintain the same total weight. | Interesting, and since I'm only going to have one box(unless she drops more eggs than I think she has) that would be easy, good info, may do that.
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