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[zee-man]

Alright, so here are a few questions. I was looking on the morphs thread and was wondering how does one create a pinstripe? Aside from breeding a stripe of course, since that's obvious that the parent will produce young similar to itself. Is it most cost efficient to simply buy a pinstripe if I plan to breed it across the line to another morph of snake?

Axanthics don't seem to be very abundant, are they incredibly rare or no on ever wants to breed them because they don't sell? I'm rather curious as to what an albino axanthic looks like. I'm familiar with the snowball, but thats a 1 in 16 chance supposedly and is only proven in 5 particular breeding pairs, at least that's what another site had said. So otherwise you only get axanthics and albinos out of the result that are het for each other?

Axanthic stripes or albino stripes, since stripe is codom as I recall both would require breeding them then breeding the het for either albino or axanthic back to it's parent in hopes of getting an albino stripe or albino axanthic correct? What are the chances of the offspring produced being the desired result, or is there some missing link in there somewhere?

I have some ideas on what I want to breed specifically in hopes of obtaining some morphs that I personally find to be absolutely awesome, and am trying to consider how to handle the arrangements and what to expect in the future.

One more question... Aside from that fact that females can produce the eggs and males only assist in breeding, are there any morphs that actually require a male of one type and a female of the other specifically? Say for example you have to breed a male spider to a female albino het to get an albino spider? That might seem like a stupid question but in all honesty I don't understand why females are always worth more. In my mind, yes you do need the female to lay the eggs, but a male can impregnate several females at a time where a female can only lay once a year. If there are cases out there where you have to have at least one being specifically male or female can I get the scoop on this information . Thanks


Josh

[snakesRkewl]

[hhmoore]

[hhmoore]

[zee-man]

So my plan was to breed say an albino to a spider, getting spiders het for albino. Then i can breed the resulting het for albino to my albino and get all albinos, spiders, and albino spiders correct? Once I get a het and a pure, or two pures I no longer need the hets any longer as I can create purer hatching groups with say an albino and a spider albino, that would produce only albinos and spider albinos. OR would that produce albinos, spider albinos, spiders het for albino spider, and normals get for albino. I mean do the normals ever get phased out or are they always produced?

Along the same lines, if I breed the pinstripe to albino the same thing will happen, as soon as I breed once to produce a het then a second time to produce a pinstripe albino, I need only breed the albino and pinstripe albino to produce all pinstripe albinos and albinos. This makes sense in my head and also that normals would nolonger result as that gene is no longer as dominantly existent as the others.

The same would go for axanthics bred with a spider or pinstripe I'm assuming since both axanthic and albino are recessive. There really is no requirement that they have to be het, its actually better to breed with the pure form than hets as there will be a better yield. Please correct me if I'm wrong, trying to get a grasp and figure things out, heh. Thanks for the input so far. I think I had more to ask but as I'm still thinking schoolwork it's causing some crossfire in the old thought processor

[NickMyers03]

[RonCrawford]

You can produce albino spiders, albinos, spider het albinos and het albinos from such a pairing if my application of punnet squares doesn't fail me.

[hhmoore]

Why is everybody so fixated on breeding everything back to parents or sibs? Albinos are widely produced, and have become, dare I say it, affordable...or, you can grab a normal het albino for next to nothing.

Since you are still in the planning stages, I'm guessing that you either don't have the animals, or are starting with babies. By the time you get babies out of them, albinos will be even cheaper. Buy one then to match up with your whatever het albino, and throw a few branches on the family tree.

[hhmoore]

I wasn't finished, lol.

It's one thing to line breed when you are pioneering a project - meaning you are starting out with the original(s), and trying to reproduce it - but to just automatically continue breeding established morphs in that manner says you are moving forward without forethought (or that you are too cheap to buy an unrelated animal).
Yeah - another pet peeve...it must be a good night.
Just don't get me started on sibling pairs, rofl

[zee-man]

I had made a post regarding that topic a while ago.. It was more along the lines of whether or not breeding offspring back to parents could/would cause defects and health issues. This is all mainly me screwing around on breeding possibilities to achieve what I might enjoy owning in the future. It serves as a nice break between worrying about control's theory class or cpu's and how to design the control unit for the MIPS architecture due Friday or my group senior design project (which I am leading by the way) lab proposal due next Monday. Sometimes its nice to look into the future.

I do not in fact have those yet, at the moment I own a normal female and have recently purchased an albino male. One reason being I think they look great, but another for possibly breeding them down the road as a means of both enjoyment and a profitable hobby. However the other snakes I am trying to decide what sex to purchase to benefit my future setup best. There is a lot of knowledge in people on this and other forums, I'd much rather transfer as much of their knowledge to me now and ask for a refresher later, then have them leave, or something tragic happen and that knowledge is lost. Yes, most people past the beginner stage that's even slightly interested in breeding can answer these questions. I'm asking out of sheer interest. This rant by the way isn't me taking offense, just explaining my situation .

So for me right now, my current state places me in the pure albino business, but the next snake I'm looking to purchase will probably be a female spider, then possibly a male axanthic or female pinstripe. If you piece these together with what I've asked it's easy to see what I want to breed. My intentions for each will be to breed across at some point or another to "increase the branches in the family tree" but if there is no harm done in locking to the offspring in locking down a pure female albino within my own breeding colony I don't see a big issue there . I do however agree that going down generationally for a long period of time within each group and continuously breeding brother to sister, or grand-daughter to father could in fact be hazardous to the snakes health. Every other species shows signs of either temperamental or physical issues when inbreeding occurs, however typical it may be among professional breeders, be it dogs, snakes, horses, etc., etc.

Anywho thanks for all of the info, I apologize for misusing terminology here and there, just trying to catch up to y'all on the knowledge that's hidden either in the search tool or in the minds of those speaking, because we all know that everyone holds back at least a little bit from forums unless directly asked to keep their little one-up. Not to say you're not willing to help, but there's a reason why there is a gap between beginners, intermediates, and experts. It's not necessarily the time spent in the hobby, though it plays a part, but the thirst for knowledge that plays a big part. That's why Nick is the go-to guy for genetics and Deb seems to have tons of stickies regarding care and upkeep on your bp, it's all relative to what they desired to know and be good at.

But yea.. lots of exciting stuff to learn here, just trying to hone in on what I'd like to personally see in my small group of bp's. Small also plays a part in the reason why I can't have an Adam and Eve for each and every breeding pair. Although that's a bad example since Eve came from Adam's rib, but we won't go there as I don't want this topic to become biblically involved in any way, not the purpose of the thread, heh. Thanks for all the input and further assistance, both on this topic and the flexwatt / heat cable and AP/RB thread. A great deal of help all around.

Oh and special note.. this is the first thread I've made that Ron has posted in so this one is going down as a good job me mark! It's interesting that even with two pure bred morphs that normals will still show up, at least it is to me. I mean if you think about the gene pool and all that albino swimming around you still somehow get normal. I think I've made this post long enough, I'll wait for more responses to say more, hope to keep this thread going there's some good stuff here, and don't go stealing my thread Nick .

Josh

[hhmoore]

Who's holding out you? lol.
I'm really not sure why I ended up in this forum responding to your post. I think this is only the second time I wandered in here. I don't do BP morphs, so I don't have much to add to the discussions.

back to my own little corner of the world, now

[zee-man]

So since the thread is probably dead at this point.. is hhmoore just a troll of sorts? Yes he has knowledge but he's a rather short-answered individual who seems to prefer boasting his information purely to show he knows more than others in similar threads? Don't mean to seem to attack him but its a sincere curiousity seeing as he's done this now in numerous posts. I mean it would seem to me that he has the knowledge to be of admin level but lacks the communication skills to be social and amicable without dripping sarcasm or a holier than though mindset. So much to a fun, interesting thread... thanks to those who did post though information is helpful, and if I get some course response to either taking things too personally or something along those lines, all I have to say is *sigh* and let things go at that. Have a good evening all, I'll check back in the morning to see if this post or others have gone anywhere interesting.

[RonCrawford]

[hhmoore]

[RonCrawford]