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deborahbroadus
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:08 pm    Post subject: Humidity Reply with quote


I just visited another forum and this is the advice given to a novice. I am asking because I WANT to know, because I may have incorrect information in the past.

"The humidity temps should be raised ONLY when he's in shed, too much humidity can cause a respiratory infection."

So isn't 50/60 the correct humidity temps for Balls?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When a female delivers a clutch of eggs, she expends a great deal of resources and is considered to be in a "weakend state" after the clutch has been laid. One would think she would be extremely vulnerable to respiratory infections and the like. I've maternally incubated ball python eggs on many occassions and one of the pre-requisites for incubation is high humidity. These females were in a high-humidity environment for upwards of 60 days while incubating their eggs. I've yet to have a female develop RI as a result of maternal incubation in these environments.

I have, however, experienced RI's during breeding season and I partly attribute it to the "man made" rise and fall of the temperatures to simulate night time drops. I tried a different strategy this season and had zero RI issues to contend with. Males are often known to come down with RI if they're bred heavily and are not given the proper "down time".

With that said, I don't really keep an eye on cage humidity because I don't have problems with humidity. I know the humidity in the snake room has been about 80% these past couple of days and I'm pretty confident that none of my animals will develop RI as a result of the humidity.

I'll phone my DVM (exotic animal vet) today to get his opinion on the topic.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! Seriously. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know snakes need certain humidity levels to shed properly. And I know that some snakes like green trees can get impacted from too low of humidity. Are there any other reasons for higher humidity?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So please tell me what the humidity should be for ball pythons on a daily basis.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jordan700 wrote:
I know snakes need certain humidity levels to shed properly. And I know that some snakes like green trees can get impacted from too low of humidity. Are there any other reasons for higher humidity?


You mentioned shedding and impaction ...and we know that Balls normally have humid environments, I think Ron pretty much covered everything with the inclusion of incubation.

Unless anyone can think of something that we may have forgotten? Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mleaster wrote:
So please tell me what the humidity should be for ball pythons on a daily basis.


Ron has some materials that explain a lot about the care of Balls on his homepage. Just click the link snake books and videos, we are here to help but I recommend you purchase one. Smile One of the FIRST books I purchased when I got my first Ball was "The Ball Python Manual"

I find that sometimes I need information at my finger tips. Sometimes the need for information may be immediate and I can't wait for someone to respond. :wink:

As to your question: Most breeders and books suggest: 50/60, and it can be bumped up higher when in shed. Interestingly enough, The Ball Python Manual seems to mention nothing about humidity. Question
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just recently bought a mister for the cage. It seems to be working, but need to know if there is anything i should do or not do with a mister. Ron any expertise in this area would be greatly appreciated.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mleaster wrote:
I just recently bought a mister for the cage. It seems to be working, but need to know if there is anything i should do or not do with a mister. Ron any expertise in this area would be greatly appreciated.


I have no personal experience with misters. I would recommend reviewing the product manual carefully and/or phoning or emailing the manufacturer with detailed questions about their product. I'm sure they will be of better assistance to answer your questions since they created and have a better understanding of the product and its functionality.

Best of luck to you!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first began keeping Balls, I had a Habba Mister for the 100 gallon tank. It was a pain, and was more water than mist, so things just got damp, it didnt keep the atomsphere humid, just the substrate, really. I learned that it is not good for them to be constantly on wet surfaces.

I had to constantly refill it, and was unable to let it run while I was at work for fear that the motor would burn out if it ran out of water.

For me, the mister was a big pain. I also tried the foggers and the snakes kept pushing them over and they had to be constantly refilled. Very Happy I have tried a lot of outside products that promise to mist, or provide a humid environment... and I eventually got tired of the hassle. 8)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We at the wildlife museum have about 6 habba misters. We have had no problems with them. The pump system is built to run wet or dry, it will not burn up. We were worried about it burning up if it went dry. So we called the supplier about it, and they said they can run dry, but over long periods of time(weeks) the gears will start to wear out. Also has an auto cut-off if it gets too hot.

You can also adjust the head of the sprayer to get more of a mist, or more of a rain like action. We use the mist for our bloods and carpets. And the rain for our GTPs and our geckos. The rain lets the animals lick the water off their body.

And if you want to keep the enclosure very humid let the substrate get soak. Then if you can keep a heat lamp over the substrate(with out heating the enclosure too much) it will boost the humidity through the roof!! Laughing

Hope this helps!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deborahbroadus wrote:
For me, the mister was a big pain. I also tried the foggers and the snakes kept pushing them over and they had to be constantly refilled. Very Happy I have tried a lot of outside products that promise to mist, or provide a humid environment... and I eventually got tired of the hassle. 8)


You can get a small cage cover for the fogger.(just fits over the fogger). The cover attaches to the water bowl making it impossible to tip over. I had the same problem with our Blue Tree Monitor knocking it over every five seconds! Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agent 700,

I am glad that your experience with the mister was more enjoyable. It's too late for me now. I have already crossed over to the dark side! Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if you ever get any bloods, or GTPs, consider it! Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a dual temp/hygrometer. where should it be placed to get the best readings?
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