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deborahbroadus
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 Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject: HERE Harald!! Debate/ sharing info on different UTHs |
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| Quote: | | I don't know if this is the case, but products ARE different in Europe. UTHs like Ultratherm, which are designed to operate within a herp friendly range, are more popular than the 130 degree belly burners commonly available in the States. |
That is interesting, and I am interested in knowing more. If Europe has UTHS that do not burn, why do we have the ones that DO? (oooooh, so that they can make money selling thermosats too?)
Money wise, I understand (answered my own question with a theory), but herpwise?
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hhmoore
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: HERE Harald!! Debate/ sharing info on different UTHs |
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| deborahbroadus wrote: | That is interesting, and I am interested in knowing more. If Europe has UTHS that do not burn, why do we have the ones that DO? (oooooh, so that they can make money selling thermosats too?)
Money wise, I understand (answered my own question with a theory), but herpwise? |
I'm far from an expert on the product lines offered overseas, lol. I believe they have some of the same ones we do (for example, Exo Terra is an international company).
As for why the lower wattage devices are not more popular here - who knows. Ultratherm has been a growing presence here in the States, but I would have expected people to be all over them. It might have to do with name recognition, and the American tendency to use racks vs cages when keeping larger numbers of animals. (I had read someplace that racks were not nearly as popular in Europe, but that could be changing as well.) When I last investigated, there seemed to be some significant differences in theory - like appropriate cage space, and, of course, the NO LIVE PREY thing. I wouldn't be surprised to find that Calorique (which used to be FlexWatt) is considered unsafe and unacceptable.
*Speaking of Ultratherm - I've got one here that I have never even put on a cage. I keep meaning to try it out, but just haven't done it yet (I've had it for probably 2+ years, and had forgotten about it until a couple months ago.
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deborahbroadus
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: |
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Could you post a picture of your Uth? I would like to study the differences. Where did you purchase yours? Are they readily available in the US? Sorry if I seem dense, but I am trying to understand what makes theirs "low wattage" compared to ours, and I have noticed some members stating that they don't need a thermostat. I would hate to find out that I have actually been pushing thermostats on UTHS that do not need them.
After I understand this, if they are cost effective, I can reset up my Corn and Bull snakes cages, even the Gecko in a more safe environment.
If it's what I think it is, I purchased one from BeanFarm some time back to go under my Beanfarm cage..it was unsatisfactory and didn't get even the correct temps very low 80s. Perhaps I simply didn't understand the dynamics of the product.
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hhmoore
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| deborahbroadus wrote: | | Could you post a picture of your Uth? |
You know I don't post pictures here. That place does sell Ultratherms, so there is a good chance that is what you had.
The product description (from the 11x23 Ultratherm pad):
| Quote: | | - Made in Scotland, these heat pads are specifically designed for the vivarium keeper. The same technology as the Flexwatt Heat Tape is used, but it has been manufactured into a pad with an additional polyurethane coating to ensure moisture resistance and durability. These pads are regulated, because of low wattage, to stay between 65 and 95F (depending on exterior temperature) thereby eliminating the need for a thermostat. However, if precise temperatures need to be achieved, use in combination with a proportional thermostat or a dimmer. Low wattage, long life and excellent cost make these heat pads great for using with herps and small animals. Comes with 6 foot cord and plug. This is a UL listed component. 30 watts. Ultratherm Info Sheet |
The main differences - double insulated, meaning a thicker coating than Calorique, to make it more durable; lower wattage: a comparable strip of 11in Calorique is 40w
As for why yours didn't achieve the desired temps, I can only speculate at this point...cool room temperature, caging material, substrate depth all come into play. THEY state that a Tstat is not required, because they are designed not to get too hot...but since temps will fluctuate as room temperatures change (as I mentioned before), I would still reommend some sort of controller.
Oh, just for the record, the OP in the other thread has informed me that his UTH is 8w, and the warm spot temp runs pretty consistently at 90-91 without a Tstat.
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deborahbroadus
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks! 
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