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[zee-man]

So my normal BP I think was sired by a normal and a lesser platinum. I need to bug Ron for that one, heh. The male bp I plan to purchase will be an albino and possibly some years down the road I might attempt to breed the two. Since the normal only has 1 parent carring a gene can it show and possibly combine with the albino's to form a new morph? Have lesser platinums been bred to albinos in the past and did they produce a new morph? Can albinos result from breeding to a normal? I know albino x albino and het x albino both result in albino but will my setup still yield albino or some new morph? I'm sorry if I'm off base here on hoping that this couple will yield albinos or some special morph, I'm very very new to the morphs and their results. I looked at some of the stickies but I didn't see anything about platinum x albino breeding. Keep in mind this is all speculation, just me being my curious self. Also attempting to strike up some conversational piece.

Thanks,
Josh

[snakesRkewl]

When you get a normal from a lesser x normal breeding, it carries no extra genes to do anything from that pairing. A normal is a normal at that point.
An albino is recessive, it carries both genes that make it able to be an albino.
A het albino, carries only one of those genes, and looks mostly like a normal. With two hets, you hope one or more of the hatch, gets both genes together, to create the beautiful albino you seek
Platinum to albino would produce platinums het for albino, and normals het for albino, good stuff either way
Curiosity will get you answers usually hehe

[zee-man]

So there is technically no chance of having a new morph out of that union? Not even Albino's or lesser's can result? That's a bummer. What positives would there be in having hets that result? As they can't technically be bred as they are related additional snakes would be needed. Is there such a thing or possibility of platinum albino, I saw on deb's sticky that there wasn't any recorded result of an albino x platinum cross. This is all just curiousity. I truly enjoy my snake and do intend to get a second one, but breeding wouldn't make much sense if nothing wonderful comes from it. I'm not saying that the act of procreation or of bringing little ones into the world isn't a wonderful thing, but like all domesticated animals or those kept as a hobby, when breeding occurs at a rate above its need or past the point where the offspring can't be properly cared for there are problems. I enjoy my pets and on one side having a lot would be fun but its inpractical and unrealistic. Was only considering breeding them if some neat new offspring could result, but who knows maybe in the future I'll get the inkling to raise some little ones myself and pass on the enthusiasm that is being a bp owner.

[snakesRkewl]

Now I'm not familiar with a platinum NOT being able to breed with an albino, the result would be platinums het for albino. On the other hand, I'm also not familiar with seeing any albino lessers, so hmm?
Now hoping the male is the albino, you hold back the female hets to breed back to him.
Breeding normals is kewl, but the market is so flooded with baby norms, that getting rid of them can be a task.
Keeping and breeding hets is an inexpensive way to get into homozygous animals, well inexpensive "compared to" buying the Homo animal to begin with.
You might try getting a female pastel to raise, they have dropped alot in price lately for babies, would then get your "morph" your wanting to get

[zee-man]

The male will indeed be the albino. Are you actually able to breed the father to his offspring? That doesn't create some health deficiency because of the lack of varying genes? I was only asking about breeding because I did indeed purchase a normal female as my first snake. So breeding the offspring of the female with the male albino could produce an albino platinum? Is that possible at least, since I will have het's at that point? I'm suprised no one has ever tried that before. Is it purely because platinums are to similar to other morphs that have already been bred to albinos? It seems that albinos in themselves are incredibly popular for selling, its suprising there aren't as many "sub-morphs" of each kind of morph with an albino capability. Its just something to think about. Aren't the stats on breeding hets to a pure 25% mix, 25% het, 50% normal? The odds might be a bit worse for getting a new phase because the phase trying to be produced is a hybrid of the two. Am I understanding this correctly and if so, any input on why this hasn't been done yet?

[snakesRkewl]

The offspring of a male albino to your normal, would be 100% hets.
Hold the female hets back, raise them till they are big enough, and breed them back to daddy, for 50% chance of albino babies.
No platinums would come from your normal breeding, only albinos, and het for albinos.
Line breeding or inbreeding is a normal practice for reptiles, dogs, cats, rodents etc.

[zee-man]

How does inbreeding not seriously mess up an offspring? I know at least in humans immuno-deficiencies and other health problems result. Could also explain apparent moodyness and bad temperament among the pure-bred dogs and cats. Is there any proven sign that this will affect them, I mean do large breeders require a minimum relational separation before they will breed them? I do not expect platinums to result from normals I was merely curious since one of her parents could have been platinum and was curious as to whether or not that gene, recessive or not could show up again. Anyways, thanks for the input I got the picture

[snakesRkewl]

There is lots of info out on line breeding and inbreeding rats to achieve desired colors and temperments.
I'm far from an expert here either but in general, most, or alot of rodent breeders line breed and inbreed, going out of the gene pool occasionally, and carefully, to enhance their breeding stock.
If there is a defect in an animal, and it's sibs or parents also have that defect , then in likely hood, their offspring will also. So yes, breeding the wrong animals together can definitely produce bad results.

The reason for not being able to pass on the "gene" is that it's not a recessive trait, it's co-dom, and makes either visuals or normals,
no gene to pass on.
Albino on the other hand, like clowns, orange ghost, axanthics and others, is a recessive, and produces hets and homo animals.
It's a bit confusing, but alot of fun to study, IMHO

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I forgot to ad. Its funny that you brought up this two morphs- Lesser and Albino. They just might be my next two morphs (no lesser-albi for me , other plans). I'm pretty sure someone has already try a lesser x albino mix but no luck finding any pics what it looks like,...anyone?

[NickMyers03]

ok lets not put lessers and plattys in the same name...

lesser X Normal = Normals and lessers
Lesser X Albino = Lessers het albino and het albinos
normal X albino= all het albinos

there have not been any platty albinos made ( well they havent been put out there yet if they have)

[zee-man]

Nick as our resident expert on genetics etc. can you give any reasoning as to why that's the case? Doing some searching online for albino's I've found that most are soldout and hard to come by, in my mind as an entrepenuer supply and demand is key, why not try to produce as many morphs of albino's as possible? Just trying to understand the motivation in choosing snake morphs to attempt to create/realize.

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