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Herphero
Joined: 07 Nov 2007 Posts: 137
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: What's wrong with my Rat? |
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She is prego and will probably have babies in 4-6days.
She has like a knot thing on her neck that just showed up.
What could this be?

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jokerswrath
Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 46 Location: S.L.,UT
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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could be cyst or a tumor
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PyMama Moderator

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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:06 am Post subject: |
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I have no clue...maybe an enlarged gland of some type ...
She looks like my rat! LOL except mine is not preggo...its a male.
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6677 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| jokerswrath wrote: | | could be cyst or a tumor |
Agree that's a possibility.
Rats are prone to cysts and tumors. If you don't plan to have her vet checked and healed, it may be best to feed her off as soon as the babies are weaned as this is a painful condition for them. If she is too big for any of your snakes to handle..p/k or stun...gassing would be the easiest way to p/k.
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Herphero
Joined: 07 Nov 2007 Posts: 137
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:10 am Post subject: |
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Yea i just have 2 snakes that only feed on weaned.
Separate question. If a rat has a disease and the snake eats it, can the snake become infected with anything?
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6677 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| Herphero wrote: | Yea i just have 2 snakes that only feed on weaned.
Separate question. If a rat has a disease and the snake eats it, can the snake become infected with anything? |
No..it has not been documented, to my knowledge, that rats can pass diseases to snakes. However, in my experience, snakes reject diseased rats. So you can try, but if they will take them or not, I have no idea (mine wouldn't).
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NickMyers03 Moderator

Joined: 12 Dec 2006 Posts: 1893 Location: fredericksburg va
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:16 am Post subject: |
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look like a tumor
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markstockham
Joined: 01 Dec 2007 Posts: 130 Location: LA, California
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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A rat can get mastitis just like a dairy cow, or even a human. Just throwing it out there because of the fact that the lump is located above one of the teats.
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6677 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| markstockham wrote: | | A rat can get mastitis just like a dairy cow, or even a human. Just throwing it out there because of the fact that the lump is located above one of the teats. |
Thanks for the reminder!
http://www.case-agworld.com/cAw.LUmast.html
EP271
Mastitis in the Ewe
by
Helen A. Swartz, Ph.D, State Sheep, Goat and Small Livestock Specialist
DEFINITION
Mastitis is defined as an inflammation of the mammary gland or udder of the ewe. The term mastitis is from the Greek word mastos, for breast, and itis, for inflammation of. The response to injury to the udder of sheep is called inflammation. Mastitis is the reaction of milk -secreting tissue to injury produced by physical force, chemicals introduced into the gland or most commonly from bacteria and their toxins.
To clarify the discussion on mastitis, the following definitions are given:
Udder infection -The udder cavity is invaded by microorganisms which cause inflammation.
Subclinical mastitis -No swelling of the udder is detected nor is there observable abnormalities in the milk. Special screening tests, however, such as the California Mastitis Test (CMT), Wisconsin Mastitis Test (WMT) and the catalase test will show changes in the milk. This type of mastitis is referred to as "hidden." It is based on an estimation of somatic cell counts.
Clinical mastitis -Can be mild or acute, and there is the presence of leukocytes (white blood cells) in the milk.
Mild clinical mastitis involves abnormality in the milk such as flakes, clots, and a watery or other unusual appearance. A hot or sensitive udder may be slight or absent, however there may be signs of swelling.
Severe clinical mastitis involves a hot, hard sensitive udder that is quite painful to the ewe. The onset is sudden and the ewe may become ill showing signs of fever (105° -107° F), rapid pulse, depression, weakness and loss of appetite. When the whole system of the ewe is affected, the condition is referred to as acute systemic mastitis or bluebag.
Milk production by a ewe with a bluebag has usually ceased and the lambs will need to be reared as orphans or grafted on another ewe.
Chronic mastitis -A persistent udder infection exists most of the time in the subclinical form occasionally can develop into the clinical form before returning to the subclinical. The results are hard lumps in the udder from the "walling off" of bacteria and the forming of connective tissue.
MAMMARY GLAND SYSTEM
Among domestic animals, the cow, sheep and goat have the simplest mammary gland system. Development of the mammary gland in the sheep and goat is identical to that of the cow (Schalm, et. al., 1971). The teat has a single opening leading into a teat sinus which is continuous with the gland sinus above which a number of large ducts empty. (Figure 1)
More information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastitis
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Herphero
Joined: 07 Nov 2007 Posts: 137
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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I found this too:
Mammary Tumors
The most common tumor in rats is the benign mammary tumor, most being a fibroadenoma (fibro--from connective tissue, aden--from a gland, oma--a benign tumor). These tumors are often stimulated by estrogen and usually occur after a rat stops ovulating at around 18 months of age. About half of all female rats will get a mammary tumor, and it's common for them to get several during their life. The most common locations for mammary tumors are in the armpits and in the belly or groin area, although because female rats have widespread mammary tissue, they can occur anywhere on the body. It's a good idea to feel your rat all over frequently so you can identify tumors early.
Mammary tumors often start out squishy and flat, and then become more firm, but they can also be quite hard from the start. Because the tumors grow so quickly, a portion will sometimes outgrow its blood supply, die and become necrotic and filled with pus. It is also common for mammary tumors to contain milk. Benign mammary tumors are usually distinct lumps just under the skin that are only loosely attached. When you feel the lump, you can usually move it separately from the skin and underlying muscle. If your rat gets one of these tumors, you can be 99.9% sure it's benign. If a tumor feels tightly attached to the underlying tissue, this can be a sign that it is malignant, but some benign tumors also feel attached.
A much less common cause of a lump in the breast area is a blocked milk duct. I know of one case. The firm 1/2" X 1/4" lump was attached to the nipple but not anywhere else. This rat had weaned her babies only a week or two before the occurrance, but blocked milk ducts can also occur in non-nursing females. The treatment of warm compresses every 4 hours cleared it up in a week. from "Pet Rat Care Information"
Is mastitis the same thing? And, should I be expecting death soon? Or should I put her down after the pups are weaned?
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Herphero
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Referring to the last paragraph from that post, This lil tumor thingy popped up just 6days after all the rats were weaned.
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markstockham
Joined: 01 Dec 2007 Posts: 130 Location: LA, California
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Herphero wrote: | | Referring to the last paragraph from that post, This lil tumor thingy popped up just 6days after all the rats were weaned. |
If it was mastitis it is now blue bag. Which almost always goes septic (with farm animals). If it was just some sort of infection it might heal up, but if it was my rat I would just feed it out. Theres a chance that part of the mammary system was destroyed, and when you have a hand full of babies you need every last teat you can get! 
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deborahbroadus Moderator

Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 6677 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| markstockham wrote: | | Herphero wrote: | | Referring to the last paragraph from that post, This lil tumor thingy popped up just 6days after all the rats were weaned. |
If it was mastitis it is now blue bag. Which almost always goes septic (with farm animals). If it was just some sort of infection it might heal up, but if it was my rat I would just feed it out. Theres a chance that part of the mammary system was destroyed, and when you have a hand full of babies you need every last teat you can get!  |
Agree! I would separate her with her pups (if they are weaned then separate her from all other rats and keep everything sterile..no cross interactions between them/her and the other rats. As soon as her pups are weaned fully (if not already), she should be put down. It hasn't been said that whether it's a tumor or mastitis it is "un" painful. I believe it is painful, I have observed the rats with this swelling and they do not behave as if they were not in pain.
Researching both issues, I do not get the indication that mastitis and a tumor are the same thing. Mastitis is a condition where the pups can no longer feed, I believe, while a tumor will not prevent feeding (correct me if I am wrong). If your pups ate and you saw the milk mark, then they were still feeding so I am more of the mind that it imay be a tumor. Unless they were feeding off another dam?
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markstockham
Joined: 01 Dec 2007 Posts: 130 Location: LA, California
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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off another dam or another teat. But chances are it was a tumor, in either case I wouldn't keep her around long enough to see if my other rats could get it. 
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Herphero
Joined: 07 Nov 2007 Posts: 137
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:20 am Post subject: |
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She was feeding some pups from the last litter, along with the other female in the colony. About 5 days after no more pups (weaned) the tumor thing shows up. She is prego and expecting soon, along with the other female (who looks much bigger). I cant feed her off as I dont have a snake big enough, I cant kill her cuz she is pregnant. Reading those articles, it seems female rats that have pups get tumors.
I think ill just have to wait it out on this one.
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