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Jluke85



Joined: 04 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:15 am    Post subject: Male or Female? Reply with quote


When it comes up to breeding and you have a choice of either breeding a Male Morph to a Female Normal or a Female Morph to a Male Normal; which is better? Will there be a better outcome in the clutch for more morphs of that kind? Or does it not really matter which is male and which is female? Or is there any other advantage or disadvantage for either of these options? Figured it would be a good question (unless of course it doesn't really matter lol).


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Skoalbasher



Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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Location: Dallas, TX

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knowing nothing about breeding, I would pick the female morph.

I just know i'm gonna go bald some day, and it's my mom's fault.
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deborahbroadus
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would rather have the Male Morph to the Female Normal because it has the added benefit of being that I can put him to some more Female Normals and increase the number of morphs that I get (unless of course it's a Male recessive morph. In that case, it doesn't matter much.
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NickMyers03
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok this is my thought.

if you are only looking to produce one small clutch and never looking to be a larger breeder and dont have the money for more expensive morphs then a male codom morph to a female normal is your best bet. you can also buy the male morph and female normal for the same price as a female morph...

NOW if you were to buy a young ( hatchling) female morph and raise it up the 2-3 years to breeding age you could buy a male morph for cheaper than i would be now ( prices always drop) and produce a clutch of double codoms and so on ( example = female mojave to male mojave - 25% blue eye lucy, 50% mojave, 25% normal. these are the chances of what would be in each egg)


***NOW**** if it were up to me i would buy a DOM male morph that already has 2 codom genes in it aka super pastel, blue eye lucy... because if i had that male and bred it to a normal female there would be NO normals produced. all offspring would be morphs.... from this you sell all male morphs and keep back all female morphs and raise them up and breed them back to dad.

Example: if you buy a super pastel male and a breeder size female ( or close to breeding size, this will insure when male is ready to breed that you have a female ready.)

super pastel x Normal = all pastels

say you had a clutch of 6 ( average)

you got a 3.3 from this clutch ( 3 males, 3 females)

sell the males and keep back all females ( selling males will pay for food for rest!!!)

in 2-3 year when females are breedable breed the male super to the female pastels ( dont forget the normal again!!)

super pastel x pastel = super pastels and pastels

ok so say out of the 3 clutches you get an average of 6 eggs from each

thats 18 eggs, out of those your chances are as follows 50% super pastel and 50% normal. thats the chance of having 9 super pastels and 9 pastels that year only...


this can happen EVERY YEAR. sell some supers ( keep back some females) and sell the pastels ( keep back a few more females) and now you will have a nice amount of money to go and buy a few more super males and start it all over. but this time you can put a super male say Lucy to a pastel female from the first year!!
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Herphero



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

inbreeding? Shocked
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deborahbroadus
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Herphero wrote:
inbreeding? Shocked


Although we tend to "humanize" our snakes, snakes don't operate at the same level as we do. Thus for animals..it's not "incest" and actually does improve lines. Very Happy Unfortunately, this theory was proved not to be true with inbreeding in humans...as you can see by some of the people posting on Youtube! Laughing

All joking aside...

It's really called "Line Breeding."

It's done in nearly all species to breed in desirable traits and breed out bad ones. If not done for too many generations, it's perfectly safe and acceptable.
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Jluke85



Joined: 04 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NickMyers03 wrote:
ok this is my thought.

if you are only looking to produce one small clutch and never looking to be a larger breeder and dont have the money for more expensive morphs then a male codom morph to a female normal is your best bet. you can also buy the male morph and female normal for the same price as a female morph...

NOW if you were to buy a young ( hatchling) female morph and raise it up the 2-3 years to breeding age you could buy a male morph for cheaper than i would be now ( prices always drop) and produce a clutch of double codoms and so on ( example = female mojave to male mojave - 25% blue eye lucy, 50% mojave, 25% normal. these are the chances of what would be in each egg)


***NOW**** if it were up to me i would buy a DOM male morph that already has 2 codom genes in it aka super pastel, blue eye lucy... because if i had that male and bred it to a normal female there would be NO normals produced. all offspring would be morphs.... from this you sell all male morphs and keep back all female morphs and raise them up and breed them back to dad.

Example: if you buy a super pastel male and a breeder size female ( or close to breeding size, this will insure when male is ready to breed that you have a female ready.)

super pastel x Normal = all pastels

say you had a clutch of 6 ( average)

you got a 3.3 from this clutch ( 3 males, 3 females)

sell the males and keep back all females ( selling males will pay for food for rest!!!)

in 2-3 year when females are breedable breed the male super to the female pastels ( dont forget the normal again!!)

super pastel x pastel = super pastels and pastels

ok so say out of the 3 clutches you get an average of 6 eggs from each

thats 18 eggs, out of those your chances are as follows 50% super pastel and 50% normal. thats the chance of having 9 super pastels and 9 pastels that year only...


this can happen EVERY YEAR. sell some supers ( keep back some females) and sell the pastels ( keep back a few more females) and now you will have a nice amount of money to go and buy a few more super males and start it all over. but this time you can put a super male say Lucy to a pastel female from the first year!!


Great explanation Nick. Thanks. All clear now. Very Happy
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