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[ryancbj22]

Don't you have a bp that is need of some veterinary care? IBD OR MOUTH ROT? I don't think I would bring another animal into your "collection" until you've taken care of that issue first! Also I beleive I read that you were tight on money and this is part of the reason you weren't going to take that particular bp to the vet. Just my opinion, but before I paid that amount of money on a Pastel that could very easily contract the disease or problem that your other bp has I think I would re-direct the money toward the animal that is having probelems, and give that one the care and medical attention that it deserve's. Just my thoughts though!

[deborahbroadus]

[pdig69]

I wrote a huge post and my computer died, now I'm writing something short and sweet.

25 dollar bp doesn't consitute testing if i can replace her with another that is well. i can't easily replace a caramel albino though. i've taken my first two to vets to get blood tests. they were fine. I'm not starting a trend because i sanitize and quarentine quite well. the point is about this one imparticular. i started the heat with my name because of the mouse experiment, i know. i shouldn't have done that, but i also did so because i knew my snake was not in jeopardy. i had everything monitored and i didnt leave the mouse in the tank overnight the last three nights. this was the first and last time i'd do anything like that. i feel the same, if there is any risk factor in a situation then it shouldn't even be practiced or done.
So, here is an official apology to everyone that i upset, because i knew you would be. But I also knew that everything would be ok. and it was. i needed to find out why that one wasn't eating, that was acutally the sick one. she just needed a smaller mouse. i was scared she wasn't eating because her condition was worsening. but i was wrong, she is still doing quite well.

[pdig69]

but the main point is about this one with a sickness. it is in my basement on the opposite side of my house. my healthy collection is upstairs in a closed room. no one goes in or out unless it's me or they have my approval. so, about bringing others in, they go someplace else, not with the sick ones. They actually go into the room next to my healthy collection.

About treating the sick snake ryan, the vet convinced me not to run tests. he said i can treat it myself, or he'd be happy to take it in. there is a difference between not caring for it, and caring for it on your own. it is improving, and there are no signs that it is getting worse. If i cannot take care of it myself, he will for free. back to my main point, if i can replace that snake for less than the tests, then i will give him to someone who is more than happy to take him in. What is so bad about giving him to someone with experience and the necessary medical equipment to treat him? This definetly isn't a trend Deb, i've already done tests on the first two because they cost me my paycheck. So there is a bit of difference between which type of bp's you would have in this situation. I know this isn't 100 percent correct, but it isn't even close to being wrong in my eyes. Please feel free to comment everyone, I do want to be an ultimate caretaker and breeder, but doesnt this make a bit of sense in this situation now knowing this isnt my general policy?

[deborahbroadus]

Logically, I can't say I don't understand, because the numbers don't lie (and I am first and foremost a businesswoman). But you are still digging your grave because you forgot how many in the community LOVE their animals *including me*, sick or well and would not willingly abandon an animal simply because it was "cheap."

If your quarantine process is on the up and up, more power to you. I am still waiting to see your set ups. After the posts you made, you might not even be able to sell an animal because of them. Remember what you write is here to be read by anyone and no one might buy an animal from someone that has admitted that he has a sick animal that he would rather give away *abet to a vet* than take care of it (pay Vet).

This behavior sounds an awful lot like someone that would sell a sick animal (lots of scammers out there) Now, I am not saying that you aren't on the up and up. What I am doing is giving you a chance to get out of the hole you dug. You can post till kingdom come and make excuses for what you did, (or explain your reasons) but it still might not sit right with some of those that are lovers and breeders of herps. (I don't claim to speak for everyone). So remember what you are doing, and your goal, and post more towards acheiving that goal.

Good luck

[pdig69]

My little sicky is actually doing better than i thought! That stuff by her mouth is gone. She is shedding and it seems like that stuff by her nose has faded away to practically nothing. Ahaha i'm so proud of myself! Whatever you guys think, thats fine by me. I do everything the best I can and I care very much! As long as I know this, it is fine by meeee AND I GUESS TAKING THE VETSSSSS ADVICE WAS IN MY BEST INTEREST!!

I'm so happy, and I now do not care what everyone thinks! I beat the disease! SO BEAT THAT!

The whole iBD thing though, that still scares me. I thought it was what killed most ball pythons today, as in, if the snake is acting weird, it is because IBD. I guess not! Especially by the way everyone has responded. I just thought that boid disease was very prevalent...oooO pics will be coming, I'll post them in another thread under morphs, I will have to buy another battery tomorrow from wal mart. Hopefully they have it! But, I can't wait to show you! gnight

[hhmoore]

Unfortunately, I looked to see what Deb was up to (I NEVER come into this forum) and find this discussion continuing over here. I don't want to rehash the other thread here, so I'll just say this:
I meant no offense in one of my first posts to you...and I hope you will consider the value of the advice I offered - slow down. Learn to deal with the animals you have. Learn what is normal, and what isn't...what is cause for concern, and what needs attention. As you gain experience & knowledge, acquire another animal or two, and go from there. You'll still get to where you want to be, and probably save yourself some serious headaches.

[pdig69]

Well on the brighter side about "abandoning" them... I thought it would be for the best for the animal if he was sick and had a professional vet take care of him instead of me, especially when he would have been living inside the animal center!!!!!!!! please understand this, the part about the money was an issue on it's own, thats all that matters here, unfortunately. but, I thought it would be better based on ^ info here to give him up. that is it! i wasn't going to sell it to anyone else without telling them. you've got me all wrong if thats the case
I'm still learning, and in light of my bp being better, I believe that my efforts have paid off! I'll show you all the pics tomorrow of a side by side comparison. I'm also going to document my entire collection
Then deb, if you don't mind, please criticize everything you see. Give me tips, tell me if I'm doing something wrong. But so far, I think I should receive an A for effort, and an F for leaving the mouse in the tank overnight, but even that, i'll show you what i was dealing with so I can clear the air with everyone. I love my babies more than you can imagine so be ready for loads of pix and I'll share! I'm going to sleep very soundly tonight, all have a goodnight as well.

[pdig69]

Moore, no offense taken at all! I love these type of responses, it gives me an understanding regarding different perspectives I should think about that i naturally don't I took the vets advice and it was correct
It was the mouse thing that really sparked things, i wish i didn't type that here. There's a lot to it, but it doesnt matter because it was wrong

[hhmoore]

[pdig69]

Really, I'll show you pics... she's much better you should be happy!

[deborahbroadus]

[hhmoore]

Deb, I don't think he meant that he beat IBD (though I do think he is relatively clueless about it, as illustrated by some of his previous posts).

All the bravado was a bit over the top, though. I suspect that most of it was related to what I had to say in the other thread - but if so, it just shows that he missed some very important points. Perhaps you, and/or some of the other members can help him out, now that the initial "crisis" is resolving. I'd prefer not to participate, due to some very clear differences of opinion...but you know how to find me.


pdig69, I'm glad your snake is getting better - but, honestly, all you did was overcome a pretty minor stumbling block that just about everybody encounters at some point.

[pdig69]

Fill me in then plz! I don't understand these points you speak of. Is it relating to IBD? And how I shouldn't think of IBD right away? That problem is solved. There is just a lot of info relating this disease to other diseases, now I understand not to worry and get tests done right away so I know what I'm dealing with.

Or, would it be proper quarenteening procedure? Some of you were worried that I'm bringing healthy snakes into a sick environment. Wrong, these snakes are in two different rooms and oppostie floors from each other. Like talking about two different highways in two different states, their flow will never meet.

Or is it the fact that I wasn't going to spend money on my BP for medical tests? I'm still not going to spend money on a ball python if he costs much less than the tests. I will try to treat him the best I can, and if he gets better, then all is well. If not, then I will send him to the animal hospital I deal with so he can get better there, under a professional's care. Obviously, if the signs are serious, and medical attention is needed then I will, but all cases are circumstantial depending on severity.

So far, I've gotten, basically slow down and take my time. There is a life at stake and they should be treated like I was treating my own life. I go by this every day. Other than this, I don't know what I'm truly missing, honestly. Please inform, because I care, I just get a bit defensive because I try very hard.

[MikeandSlick]