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NickMyers03
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Mr. Fox is being sent an email as we speak... funny that you wont give the the contact number of the person you contactd because " hes very busy" yet you were able to talk to him. i have read through this whole post...shoot im the one that seperated each post to put in here. i have YET to see you list the requirements of housing 2 ball pythons. i do see the post you have about your single ball and your tank which was horrible to begin with and still isnt all up to par. if you cant even get the correct set up on your own tank STOP arguing with us and giving out BAD advise.
PLEASE i guess i cant read POST THE COMPLETE SET UP FOR HAVING 2 BALL PYTHONS IN THE SAME TANK... making sure you can read since we are having issues here... i will send a link to a forum to you Via PM. i want to see you go on today and state why you think its ok to have 2 balls in one tank and ask for proof on why you shouldnt. if you are not a member of this forum already YOU SHOULD BE as you seem not to know much. i await the answers to your post there.
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deborahbroadus
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junkopardner
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Mr. Fox is being sent an email as we speak... funny that you wont give the the contact number of the person you contactd because " hes very busy" yet you were able to talk to him.
Uh, Nick, follow the logic: I contacted him, and that's how I know he's busy. Multiple phones were ringing in the background, but he answered all my questions (and a few others) and was very informative and gracious, but I could tell he was really, really busy. And I like how you avoided answering my question about what speaking to him and him telling you the same things was going to change. Nice one.
I have read through this whole post...shoot im the one that seperated each post to put in here. i have YET to see you list the requirements of housing 2 ball pythons. i do see the post you have about your single ball and your tank which was horrible to begin with and still isnt all up to par. if you cant even get the correct set up on your own tank STOP arguing with us and giving out BAD advise.
Then you're blind. Quarantine em, then get a big enclosure with plenty of hides and good temps (so they don't crowd each other for a certain temp spot), and when you feed, feed them separately in separate containers. It sounds complicated, but it really isn't. It's basically what you do with one, except you need a bigger enclosure and more hides (obviously).
As for my tank, it's set up quite nicely thank you. I guess I'm really "lucky" he's adapted to his terrible environment. Don't try this at home people, this is the "exception" and not the rule.
PLEASE i guess i cant read POST THE COMPLETE SET UP FOR HAVING 2 BALL PYTHONS IN THE SAME TANK... making sure you can read since we are having issues here... i will send a link to a forum to you Via PM. i want to see you go on today and state why you think its ok to have 2 balls in one tank and ask for proof on why you shouldnt. if you are not a member of this forum already YOU SHOULD BE as you seem not to know much. i await the answers to your post there.
Yeah, yeah....
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junkopardner
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Deb-
I can't believe you're calling me names! And Troll, no less. So is it OK for me to call you a hypocrite now, since you've comletely contradicted yourself? Deb's calling me a Troll, Deb's calling me a Troll Waaahhhhh
You've been warned, Deb.
Flo-
Did I miss something or did you (or do you now) have anything to say regarding the debate about the communal housing of BP's? I mean, other than trying to jump in for a high five and approval from the clique?
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NickMyers03
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i will get an answer in Email format so i can post it here, does that solve the issue on what i will say? no matter what i will have his written word along with some others. If hes so busy along with your vet who gave you this info why was he able to answer your questions and spend time with you? will i not get the same time?
i like how you gave a vague definition of what the tank would be like... i bet if you set it up this way even with many hides you would find your snakes " laying" on each other... and we have gone over what that ment. so if you see this even if you give them a 120 gallon tank what will you think? i really want to know.
i have sent the link in the PM i have also started a topic in the quarantine area of the site. when you sign up please PM a Mod or Admin and they will give you access. the post is not hard to find its called " 2 balls in one tank." by the yeah yeah statement i guess that the majority there isnt going to agree with you either? i dont under stand why you would say this if the statement you gave was true that we are the minority. You should be happy to post there and see how many supporters you have.
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deborahbroadus
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| junkopardner wrote: | Deb-
I can't believe you're calling me names! And Troll, no less. So is it OK for me to call you a hypocrite now, since you've comletely contradicted yourself? Deb's calling me a Troll, Deb's calling me a Troll Waaahhhhh
You've been warned, Deb.
Flo-
Did I miss something or did you (or do you now) have anything to say regarding the debate about the communal housing of BP's? I mean, other than trying to jump in for a high five and approval from the clique? |
A troll is anyone that comes on a forum and tries to disrupt the natural order of things to draw attention to himself though his egomatic posting as if everyone in the world was wrong other than himself and the few care sheets he read and the imaginary? people he spoke to. A Troll usually has ONE or two snakes and wants to encourage everyone to drop the accepted order of a procedure and take up his banner! 
There is no "discussing" anything with a Troll because a Troll can not be reasoned with. The Troll will always twist words that are posted to him.
You saw yourself as being a TROLL? I didn't put your name down there same as you weren't calling "US" pu**ies. Don't YOU believe that it was a general statement?
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ryancbj22
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uncle_flo
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| junkopardner wrote: | Flo-
Did I miss something or did you (or do you now) have anything to say regarding the debate about the communal housing of BP's? I mean, other than trying to jump in for a high five and approval from the clique? |
What's there to say that hasn't been said already? What almighty and all-knowing being can I possibly quote who could persuade you? You've got your Dr. Fox, we've got our successful breeder. Who do you believe? You've made your loyalty to Dr. Fox and his mysterious clique of extremely busy cronies clear. Me, I follow the money. The breeders got the most on the line, they're the ones with the greatest vested interest, the ones who lose thousands of dollars if they make mistakes. You'd think these business types would double up their snakes in the same tubs to increase capacity, but they don't. Can't think of any of 'em that do. Can you? And I'm not talkin about some doctor type that bred a few balls once. I'm talkin about the guys who make a livin at it and have thousands of ball pythons in captivity right now. If anyone could benefit from housin bp's together, it's these guys, but they don't.
Can't imagine why.
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junkopardner
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Nick-
will get an answer in Email format so i can post it here, does that solve the issue on what i will say? no matter what i will have his written word along with some others. If hes so busy along with your vet who gave you this info why was he able to answer your questions and spend time with you? will i not get the same time?>>>>>>
I'm sure you will get the time and answers, but to what end? You're going believe your baseless nonsense anyway. So I don't see the point in wasting the man's time (which, BTW, you would be wasting because you have your mind already made up).
i like how you gave a vague definition of what the tank would be like... i bet if you set it up this way even with many hides you would find your snakes " laying" on each other... and we have gone over what that ment. so if you see this even if you give them a 120 gallon tank what will you think? i really want to know.
Vague? If you want specifics then call a zoo that does it and ask how theirs is set up. So with "many hides" with the same temps you would see them crowding one huh? And why would this be?, #1. And #2, if this is true (is it?) what "ill" effects would this have on the snakes? I'm asking you because your the expert (that referred me to another site with "better" experts).
i have sent the link in the PM i have also started a topic in the quarantine area of the site. when you sign up please PM a Mod or Admin and they will give you access. the post is not hard to find its called " 2 balls in one tank." by the yeah yeah statement i guess that the majority there isnt going to agree with you either? i dont under stand why you would say this if the statement you gave was true that we are the minority. You should be happy to post there and see how many supporters you have.
Yeah, yeah... I hope they have facts, unlike you.
Ryan-
In the very beginning I got some of the basics from a friend of mine in San Fransisco who's had a Boa for over a decade. I then came here (and looked around the web as well) for additional information on how to make it really, really good. I got some good advice here on the set-ups too.
J
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deborahbroadus
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Yep, I AM being silly, at least I recognize it. Uncle Flo gave you a very good answer...think on it for a bit. 
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junkopardner
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Flo-
What's there to say that hasn't been said already? What almighty and all-knowing being can I possibly quote who could persuade you? You've got your Dr. Fox, we've got our successful breeder.
BTW Flo, it's Dr. Fox who referred me to Day (in case you weren't up on current events). Day (according to Dr. Fox) had also been a breeder (and may still be-I didn't ask).
Who do you believe? You've made your loyalty to Dr. Fox and his mysterious clique of extremely busy cronies clear.
Watch a lot of soaps and read a lot of Romance novels with Fabio on the cover Flo? The melodrama is pretty thick here "Dr. Fox and his mysterious clique of extremely busy cronies". Besides, if you were paying attention, Dr. Fox "referred" me to an expert with a lot of knowledge with BP's. 1 person hardly a clique makes.....
Me, I follow the money. The breeders got the most on the line, they're the ones with the greatest vested interest, the ones who lose thousands of dollars if they make mistakes. You'd think these business types would double up their snakes in the same tubs to increase capacity, but they don't. Can't think of any of 'em that do. Can you? And I'm not talkin about some doctor type that bred a few balls once. I'm talkin about the guys who make a livin at it and have thousands of ball pythons in captivity right now. If anyone could benefit from housin bp's together, it's these guys, but they don't.
First of all, do you "know" this to be a "fact"? Just asking.
Can't imagine why.
Well, welcome to the debate, Flo. The floors all yours and I'm all ears.
J
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jb.t3ch
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i shouldnt say anthing but......
why has this thread kept going.
the answer is NO you shouldnt. im not up to debate about it because there really isnt anything to debate over. you asked a question and people answered you yet you try to find a reason for it to be ok. you are the owner, everyone here with common sense has advised against it. if you choose not to listen then do what you want and stop trying to bicker with everyone...
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee rubber room!!!!!!!!!! 
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junkopardner
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A quick update:
I'm currently compiling a list of zoos in North America that communally house Ball Pythons successfully. It may take a day or so, but I will start with the San Diego Zoo.
The San Diego Zoo is one of top ranked zoos in the US (it may be "the" top ranked zoo) and it houses the single largest reptile exhibit of any zoo in the ENTIRE world. That's right; WORLD (and as you know, the world is a big, big place).
So I spoke with some herpetologists in the reptile exhibit out there today and they house 2 ball pythons (male and female) in the same enclosure and have for years with no incidence. The consensus was that they're (BP's) very low maintenance in general, and they recommend just not feeding them together int he same tank (duh). They said that the problems you hear about (ie fighting, cannibalism etc) are all attributable to the same problem; feeding them both in the same tank. And even then they said the incidences were "extremely rare" because BP's are NOT snake eaters. Fighting over food? Yeah. So the same information I've heard from experts in the field, no different.
But I guess one of the top ranked zoo's in the world, with the largest reptile exhibit int he world, with dozen of herpetologists working in sections of the exhibit they specialize in, well......they probably just don't know what they're doing, do they? They've probably just gotten "lucky" over the years and are completely "ignorant" of the "dangers".
But they aren't the exception the rule; they're just #1 on a longer list to come.
If you should have any questions regarding the "dangers" of communally housing your BP's, please feel free to call these dunces at the San Diego Zoo at 1-619-231-1515 Mon-Fri up until 3pm PST and ask for the Reptile Exhibit.
(And if you're going to "follow the money" Flo, I'm sure the largest reptile exhibit of any zoo in the world isn't cheap......)
Stay Tuned.....
J
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junkopardner
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JB-
Welcome to the rubber room, where you might actually "learn" something.
i shouldnt say anthing but......
why has this thread kept going.
the answer is NO you shouldnt. im not up to debate about it because there really isnt anything to debate over. you asked a question and people answered you yet you try to find a reason for it to be ok. you are the owner, everyone here with common sense has advised against it. if you choose not to listen then do what you want and stop trying to bicker with everyone...
And the answer is "No" because.......... y'know, I've been waiting a long time for the answers as to why. Would you like to take this one jb? No one else has (at least, with a modicum of accuracy and facts).
BTW, I don't have to find a reason for it to be ok, because it IS ok if done correctly. (The same way it's ok to house 1, if done correctly).
Rather, the people that believe it's "not" ok have to find a reason "why" it isn't.
Also, it wasn't me who was wanting to house two together, it was Feral, the girl who started this thread. I just "hi-jacked" it because I felt she wasn't being given accurate information on this subject.
J
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NickMyers03
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since you are doing all this lovely research please get proof and not just your word that you talked to him. i would like you to have them email you and you can post them here. if you again tell me to do my own research and that you dont want to do all the leg work your posts are going to be taken as nothing but non coherent babble as there are no facts.
i thank you for doing this research
make sure you include the amount of these species they handle and the experience they have with JUST this species
i forgot to add...its been a few hours where is this post you were going to make on the other forum? i have yet to see it
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