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Droptine



Joined: 20 Feb 2008
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Location: Rotterdam,N.Y.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:09 pm    Post subject: I think I made a mistake ? Reply with quote


:-? What gives with these ball pythons ??,talk about being a picky pain in the a$$.
I set this new snake up in a GREAT new home,,but he will not take any food.Live,nope,fresh killed,NOPE,,It has been over 3 weeks since he ate last,(for the former owner)He just shed a few days ago.
I hate to say it,but I miss my corn snake A LOT.. :-(


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Monty is my Python



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Location: Vermont

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: I think I made a mistake ? Reply with quote

Droptine wrote:
:-He just shed a few days ago.
I hate to say it,but I miss my corn snake A LOT.. Sad


There's your problem cat... THE SHED. Most BP's go into a fast while during there shed cycle. just leave himbe for a day or two and you should see some TASTY results!
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a_green



Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Location: Vancouver, BC Canada

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long has he been in his new home? As great as it is, it might be a stress for your snake to get used to it, and this can easily put them off feeding for a while. Smile

Keep at it, and don't be distressed if he goes for a while without eating. He'll be all right--they can go without for months and be fine. Just keep offering food (ideally the same food he has been known to accept before), maybe once a week-ish. No need to constantly offer it, this might stress the snake out more. Just make sure temps & humidity are within range.

Don't worry, you'll find a solution. He's probably just still settling in and getting used to his new owner. And they are not all like this!!!!!! You will fall in love sooner or later like we all have. Very Happy
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PlayBall



Joined: 11 Feb 2008
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Location: Chicago, IL

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a_green wrote:
How long has he been in his new home? As great as it is, it might be a stress for your snake to get used to it, and this can easily put them off feeding for a while.

Don't worry, you'll find a solution. He's probably just still settling in and getting used to his new owner. And they are not all like this!!!!!! You will fall in love sooner or later like we all have. Very Happy


Completely right. I got the same problem with one of my bps but I'm not worried at all. I know he'll come back to being a fine eater. How old is he? and what are you trying to feed him m/r? and how often?
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deborahbroadus
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ummmm,....if you got a snake that you wanted to eat on demand..then yes, you made a mistake.

Bps are like (I do like human comparisons Laughing ) 2 year olds,,...they get finicky. The challenge is in getting to know the bp once you get to know your animal, your fears will be set to rest because you will KNOW why he's not eating, what's wrong etc.
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Droptine



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Location: Rotterdam,N.Y.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really feel like I should have started with a much younger snake.A friend had this 3 year old male with no future plans,and at a very good price,,so I bit.
Great looking snake,very healthy,a bit under sized for his age,,but everything else fine.He stays in his warm hide all day,but is very active at night.
Last night he was out before lights out,so I figured it would be a good time to offer a meal.I offered live a week ago,with no interest,so I went with fresh killed this time.He was fed F/T off forceps before,so I lowered the mouse in front of his face,hoping he would go for it.NO GO.
I said fine,be that way.I turned the light off and left the mouse in the tank.
I peeked at 11 or so,,still laying there.Another wasted meal.
I just think about how you learn about a snake when you raise it from a baby,how it eats,when,etc..
I am at a loss,but I will give him time.
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ryancbj22



Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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Location: Columbus Ohio

PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't get so discouraged. These snakes can go a very long time without eating. There are some people on here that have bp's that are going on a year without food. I have one that has only ate one rat pup in about 4 months and he's 4yrs old and about 4ft long. This time of year is there picky time they start fasting due to breeding season and the cold weather. It's very frustrating when you don't breed rats or mice and you go out and get one and they don't eat. I finally got tired of taking the rat back to the pet store every time he didn't eat so I bought a 10 gallon aquarium a water bottle and a hide. Cost me about $30 and I just keep the rat until he eats it I had one rat for 2 months and now I have another one going on a month. All of my other ones eat like champs everytime. Like I said don't worry about it and especially don't force the issue wait a week everytime he'll eat when he's ready trust me. Just make sure you monitor his weight and watch for signs of dehydration.
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deborahbroadus
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Droptine wrote:
I really feel like I should have started with a much younger snake.A friend had this 3 year old male with no future plans,and at a very good price,,so I bit.
Great looking snake,very healthy,a bit under sized for his age,,but everything else fine.He stays in his warm hide all day,but is very active at night.
Last night he was out before lights out,so I figured it would be a good time to offer a meal.I offered live a week ago,with no interest,so I went with fresh killed this time.He was fed F/T off forceps before,so I lowered the mouse in front of his face,hoping he would go for it.NO GO.
I said fine,be that way.I turned the light off and left the mouse in the tank.
I peeked at 11 or so,,still laying there.Another wasted meal.
I just think about how you learn about a snake when you raise it from a baby,how it eats,when,etc..
I am at a loss,but I will give him time.


I understand. The guys have given you some good advice and encouragement. Why don't you post a current pic of the snake in question so we can get a good look at it (and set ups).

But like Ryan said, at that age..it's normal for them to stop eating for a while around this time of the year.
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Droptine



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the impute guys.I'm not that good with a computer to put pics up.
Maybe I could e-mail a photo to one of you guys,and you could post it,,what do you think ?
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jb.t3ch



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Droptine wrote:
Thanks for the impute guys.I'm not that good with a computer to put pics up.
Maybe I could e-mail a photo to one of you guys,and you could post it,,what do you think ?


heya droptine, if you can email pics then using photobucket will be a snap for you. the link here leads to the ball python pics and videos of this forum. check out the very 1st sticky thread(how to post pictures). super easy! good luck.

http://www.rcreptiles.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=76
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deborahbroadus
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Droptine wrote:
Thanks for the impute guys.I'm not that good with a computer to put pics up.
Maybe I could e-mail a photo to one of you guys,and you could post it,,what do you think ?


There is a sticky that outlines the steps to follow..but being tired and lazy from cleaning all these snake racks...briefly;
1. open a free account at www. photobucket.com
2. upload your pictures from your computer to photobucket
3. click the forum slot (after pic is uploaded) this automatically copies the link
4. paste link on the site that you desire.

Good luck
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hhmoore



Joined: 24 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw you had started this thread, and just couldn't resist reading...

I understand your frustration, but, as you mentioned in your last email, you are still in cornsnake mode. Unfortunately, patience is often required with BPs...and that one is dealing with a number of environmental changes (as well as different approaches by his new keeper).
He hasn't even been there 3 full weeks yet, and you have offered food 3 times that I know of....and there was a shed cycle involved. I know you want him to eat, but just sit back and relax a bit - it's not as if you're going to get stuck with a snake that doesn't eat. (Though you might want to consider picking up a pair of long tweezers, for feeding time, if you are going to feed p/k or f/t, since you know he doesn't eat dead prey that is just dropped in with him)

This can happen with any newly acquired snake, regardless of age or species. When it occurs, it is time for the keeper to step back and take an objective look at things (the following are general statements, not necessarily aimed at you, Dave).
- is the setup, temperature, humidity appropriate for the species?
- if so, following cues/clues from the previous keeper might help. Consider differences in housing, temperature, prey choice, prey presentation. Prey presentation, in particular, can be a huge issue with BPs.
- sometimes, we have to change our thinking or approach, to match the animals in our care...and it is often easier than getting them to do things our way.
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Droptine



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Location: Rotterdam,N.Y.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Harald,,I knew you would catch me whining sooner or later.Yes,as you can tell I am not that patient,or not used to having to be this patient.
It's only been 3 weeks,are you sure,,seems longer.
The last time I offered the mouse I hung it in front of his face,,like it was being held by long nose tweezers,,could this work,or is there still too much of me in the picture ?.
As far as the set up goes,,I believe I'm on the money,,what do you think :warm hide 90-93 cool hide 78-81,,every where else 81-86.
The humidity just wont stay up,,but I believe that is most important around shedding time,correct ?
I'll stop now Harald, I promise,,or I'll whine on the phone next time :D
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hhmoore



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Droptine wrote:
It's only been 3 weeks,are you sure,,seems longer.
Yeah - you picked him up Wed, 3/26...I checked.
Droptine wrote:
The last time I offered the mouse I hung it in front of his face,,like it was being held by long nose tweezers,,could this work,or is there still too much of me in the picture ?.
It may well work eventually, but there has been a lot going on in his little world. There are times he would snatch the prey as it was coming into the tub (those times, the dangling would work); other times, it took a little more effort. I would have gone into more detail about feeding techniques, but I thought you were leaning toward live.
Droptine wrote:
As far as the set up goes,,I believe I'm on the money,,what do you think :warm hide 90-93 cool hide 78-81,,every where else 81-86.
Everybody has their own thoughts on just where the temps should be, but those should work with no problem...it might be worth adding a hide with temps in the 84-86 range, though - more like what he is used to. Have you checked the min/max's throughout the tank, yet? The tank is big enough to let him choose his place (more on this in a few).
Droptine wrote:
The humidity just wont stay up,,but I believe that is most important around shedding time,correct ?
Well......yes & no. It is most important around shedding time; BUT if it is too low for too long, it can cause problems. There are a number of ways to help boost the humidity (and we've only addressed a few of them privately). How low is it getting?
Droptine wrote:
I'll stop now Harald, I promise,,or I'll whine on the phone next time Very Happy
Dave, it's not a problem, lol...now, if you had started posting here without talking to me, I'd have gotten cranky about it. There are LOTS of things to try, but you don't want to just start changing things haphazardly (remember, every time something is changed, it could be considered a stress). I fed him 3 times in the 4 weeks before you took him, so he's not going to waste away on you.
As promised, if he doesn't start back up again in a reasonable amount of time, I'll either take him back and get him going (make sure it is you, not him, lol), or we can discuss replacement options.

I almost forgot.
The tank size could still be a factor. It is 2x the floor area he is used to, and I suspect there is a lot more going on in your house than the room I had him in. It may come to cluttering it up a bit - offering him more cover so he can make better use of the temp gradient and space. He wasn't super fussy about activity, though - in fact, I sometimes picked him up and moved him while I was offering food (I would partially lift him to uncover his face, then give him the mouse/rat - he would take it while I was holding his back end up in the air) - so I don't think you'll have to wait too long.
Drop me an email before you try feeding again, we'll try to set up a time to talk about a few things.

*edited 4/15, 0825, to fix quote tags


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deborahbroadus
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh, some history on the story helped a bit. Harald is right on the money and giving the same advice that you would have gotten from us. Wink It helps to talk to the owner of the snake, but we are here if you have questions.

I don't think you were "whining," I am thinking it's more likely that you were uneasy. Eating is such a part of the human make up that we can't stand it if something isn't eating. Laughing

Post pics of the set up! Surprised
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