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pdig69
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 Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:38 am Post subject: I am sad and hoping for the best! |
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So, here she is. If you guys can identify the problem, i'd be very happy and hopefully this is treatable, which I think it is.
 here is one shot
 another.. 
 
  i'm going to hopefully help her beat this!
But, need som help! I was thinking mites. she had a few jumping around on the log she was in while in her home. there are white chaffed areas on her body like scars where mites bit her. i've been treating her with some stuff from "de flea" that kills mites on contact. i haven't seen any and no mites in these pix. Thanx for ur help!
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PlayBall
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I would get her out of her tank asap. Put her on a plastic tub for now with her uth on. Clean up her entire tank with prevent a mite and use reptile relief on her, just follow the instructions. I would also take her to a vet fast. That does look like mouth rot. If her tank had mites also means it wasn't in the best conditions for her. Good luck, I hope she gets well soon. Keep us updated.
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pdig69
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I just got her from someone else, I've been trying to nurse her back to health but I'm thinking I need antibiotics. Is mouth rot contagious?
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RonCrawford
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pdig69
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, thx for all your comments. I spoke to a vet today and he said, that luckily with the right conditions mouth rot is curable, it just takes a very long time. i am going to de-mite her right now, and use some chlorexidine I purchased to clean her wound, and her. She will be well by end of summer, hopefully! That is my plan, thx for the support there Py, play, and RC!
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arlynos
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Good to hear, that it is curable and you will be doing so, good luck with that and please update when she becomes better.
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deborahbroadus
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Practice quarantine procedures please. Anytime a new snake is brought into your main snakes environment, to protect the original snake, the new one must be kept in a separate container (preferably in a separate room) and separate tools, bowls and wash hands between handling each..(probably best to handle them on different days or different MONTHS would be better) until the new one has been given a clean bill of health.
Good luck! 
NOW for the general public:
We love BPs and sometimes our love can lead us to making unwise decisions.
We must always remember that our snakes depend on us for everything.
A good question to ask yourself is: If you had a child, would you bring a child in your house that had a deadly contagious disease? In all probability, you would want to help that child, so you would probably call the amblunce or inform the parents that the child is sick and if they did nothing you may call the authorities on those parents, but I highly doubt that many of us would take the child into our own homes and put our own children at risk.
Just something that needs to be stressed.
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pdig69
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Hey Deb, very good point you make! Mouth rot isn't that contagious with proper cleaning techniques is it? I called a vet and spoke to a guy, and he said I'd have to properly sanitize the tank often and it will definetly be contained. As for mites, I've used "de flea" a few times now and haven't seen any on her. I've also been cleaning her in chlorhexidine as well as her cage. She's absolutely quarantined on a totally different floor of my house and she gets treated last out of my small collection.
When should I see signs of recovery with mouth rot about?
She just pooped and it was very sloppy, nothing hard and it looked like a bit of mucus in there. Whatcha think?
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cupcake
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Arr bless her, I hope she gets better soon!
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deborahbroadus
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| pdig69 wrote: | Hey Deb, very good point you make! Mouth rot isn't that contagious with proper cleaning techniques is it? I called a vet and spoke to a guy, and he said I'd have to properly sanitize the tank often and it will definetly be contained. As for mites, I've used "de flea" a few times now and haven't seen any on her. I've also been cleaning her in chlorhexidine as well as her cage. She's absolutely quarantined on a totally different floor of my house and she gets treated last out of my small collection.
When should I see signs of recovery with mouth rot about?
She just pooped and it was very sloppy, nothing hard and it looked like a bit of mucus in there. Whatcha think? |
It would probably be best if you researched this on your own. What did the Vet say? Since he's talking about "cleaning" often, I think it would be safe to assume it's contagious and the "degree" of contagious does not matter. * I don't want to just TELL you..I want you to research. 
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pdig69
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Hey, I think I research too much! The most important thing now is quarantining the little guy and proper cleansing.
The only reason I ask is because I need advice from someone that has first hand experience. I've read every article under the sun and the more I read the more it says the same thing and most articles point to IBD as the underlying cause. This is making me want to give him up, but I want to keep him. I'm thinking for the rest of my "children" and I believe I should get rid of him. Do you agree?
I have five other healthy snakes, spider, pastel, another normal, and two 100% het albinos that are all upstairs from the sick ones. I think it would be in my best interest to give them up to the vet guy i spoke to because he was willing to take them in.
should i continue aiding these guys in hopes? or should i be worried about ibd and give them to a hospital? i'm leaning towards giving them up. what would all of you do?
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PlayBall
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should i continue aiding these guys in hopes? or should i be worried about ibd and give them to a hospital? i'm leaning towards giving them up. what would all of you do? |
How many sick snakes do you have?
Rescuing a pet is such a great feeling, specially when you get them back in shape.
That's a very noble thing you're doing. As for what would I do if I was in your shoes? Keep them if I got the time, space and resources. Always remember that sometimes not all of them can be saved and brought back to health. Any ways good luck and keep up the good work. 
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deborahbroadus
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| pdig69 wrote: | Hey, I think I research too much! The most important thing now is quarantining the little guy and proper cleansing.
The only reason I ask is because I need advice from someone that has first hand experience. I've read every article under the sun and the more I read the more it says the same thing and most articles point to IBD as the underlying cause. This is making me want to give him up, but I want to keep him. I'm thinking for the rest of my "children" and I believe I should get rid of him. Do you agree?
I have five other healthy snakes, spider, pastel, another normal, and two 100% het albinos that are all upstairs from the sick ones. I think it would be in my best interest to give them up to the vet guy i spoke to because he was willing to take them in.
should i continue aiding these guys in hopes? or should i be worried about ibd and give them to a hospital? i'm leaning towards giving them up. what would all of you do? |
I am sorry, I have no first hand experience with mouth rot or IBD or anything of that nature.
It is a difficult decision and one that I am glad that I don't have to make (please I hope I never have to make a decision like this  ) Noble though it may be to rescue animals..in my humble opinion, it becomes less noble when the healthy snakes are put at risk (not because you are doing anything wrong, but because just by them being there, the healthy snakes are at risk).
I would read a bit more these sites are especially good in letting you know what's ahead of you without the interference of my opinion:
http://www.animalhospitals-usa.com/reptiles/snake_diseases_infections.html
| Quote: | | Mouth Rot (Infectious or Ulcerative Stomatitis): Is a progressive bacterial infection involving the oral lining. It may begin with increased salivation. Often saliva bubbles from the mouth. Close inspection of the oral lining reveals tiny pinpoint areas of bleeding. The oral lining becomes increasingly inflamed and pus begins to accumulate within the mouth, especially among the rows of teeth. As the disease progresses, the underlying bone becomes infected and the teeth fall out. This infection must be recognized in the early stages to successfully reverse it. The hobbyist must seek veterinary help when mouth rot is first evident. The veterinarian may want to collect a saliva/pus specimen for bacterial culture and subsequent antibiotic sensitivity testing to determine the appropriate antibiotic(s) to use. A blood sample can also be collected to accurately assess the internal and overall status of the patient. Mouth rot often is an external manifestation of more serious internal problems. Initial treatment involves injections of vitamins A, C and B complex, as well as a "best guess" antibiotic (one that the veterinarian believes has the best chance of fighting the infection until the results of antibiotic sensitivity tests are available). Supportive care involves daily or twice-daily cleansing of the mouth, application of topical antibiotics, administration of fluids to combat dehydration and the possible detrimental effects of certain antibiotics, and periodic forced-feedings (using a stomach tube). Generally, snakes with heavy accumulations of pus and infected bones of the jaw are unlikely to be saved, even with aggressive veterinary efforts. You must be alert to the early stages of the disease and periodically inspect the mouth for signs of mouth rot. |
http://www.triciaswaterdragon.com/mouthrot.htm#mouthrot
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/pic/article.cfm?c=6016&articleid=1558
Reading doesn't give me the impression that it is contagious, as I originally thought since it is linked to IBD in some articles, but read the information for yourself and you may be able to arrive at an informed decision that you are comfortable with.
Good luck!
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pdig69
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should i continue aiding these guys in hopes? or should i be worried about ibd and give them to a hospital? i'm leaning towards giving them up. what would all of you do? |
How many sick snakes do you have?
Rescuing a pet is such a great feeling, specially when you get them back in shape.
That's a very noble thing you're doing. As for what would I do if I was in your shoes? Keep them if I got the time, space and resources. Always remember that sometimes not all of them can be saved and brought back to health. Any ways good luck and keep up the good work. |
hEY, well, I have two as of now. There are two normals that were in the same tank, the female is sick, and the male is extremely aggressive, every time I pick him up I get bit, freakin sux! I think my decision will be to give them to someone else that is apt to nurse them back to health. especially because he works for an animal hospital, I think it's a good idea. Eventho I think I do a good job, he'll probably do much better with the access he has to his job's items. So, not only would it be for my other bp's, it will be for them as well! Now I feel better! haha
Thx Deb for the extra material  Going today to drop them off
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