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kristal_kaos



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: stretched too much during feeding? Reply with quote


My new young BP, was feeding on a med size feeder mouse -which the pet store told me would be an ok size for my BP to eat (I was feeding smaller mice). I noticed that during the swallowing, my BP has a tear in her side, like a huge stretch mark kinda. Shocked (No real blood, but no scales are visible in the tear)
Ive never seen this happen, has any one else? And will my baby be ok? Crying or Very sad


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deborahbroadus
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry about your situation.
Pictures would help as it's hard to know what may be going on from a description of the problem.
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kristal_kaos



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:17 pm    Post subject: no pics Reply with quote

sorry, dont know how to take n post pics just yet, new to internet n computers, sorry. Confused
As for the situation, i believe she will be ok, only maybe scarred from this. During her swallowing, i noticed she stretched so wide in one area behind her head (neck area?), that the scales seperated entirely, creating an inch of non-scaled skin that appeared to be still intact n not bleeding, although somewhat moist. when she finished swallowing the space of non-scaled skin wrinkled up on itself n seems to be painful to her. Again, i do not see blood.
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SJ126



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well i'm not a vet or anything, but u might want to put some antiseptic on the problem areas. Then switch back to smaller mice!
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markstockham



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much of a lump is in your ball's stomach now?
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kristal_kaos



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:47 pm    Post subject: put something on it now? Reply with quote

There is a about an inch of a lump, not too huge, but I will switch back to smaller feeders! lol, she looks like she will be ok, and i thought bout putting some neosporin on it, but wasnt sure if I should, so its been about a week now and i havent touched her, should i still put something on it after all this time passed since it happened?
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MikeandSlick



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Axl's last rat (small) was a little larger than usual and there was some good stretching going on, but didn't result in any injury. And the lump seemed to be a good size when all was said and done.

So how's that area of stretched skin doing anyways? What's her name again?



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a_green



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was it actually a tear, or was it just stretched skin?? You do see the scales separate when they are stretching a lot, and there is pink skin underneath like in Mike's pic.
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kristal_kaos



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, i see what u mean about the skin stretching the scales apart a lil, but the skin on my baby stretched sooo much that the skin split and there is a gash/slit in her side. I put some antibiotic ointment on her, but the slit is still visible, like a scar or something. she seems to b ok, but im not feeding her a lil while out of fear that it may reopen. Crying or Very sad
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deborahbroadus
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kristal_kaos wrote:
well, i see what u mean about the skin stretching the scales apart a lil, but the skin on my baby stretched sooo much that the skin split and there is a gash/slit in her side. I put some antibiotic ointment on her, but the slit is still visible, like a scar or something. she seems to b ok, but im not feeding her a lil while out of fear that it may reopen. Crying or Very sad


What kind of antibiotic ointment are you using? I have heard that it's not a good idea as we thought to use Neosporin. Apparently, some aver that it is the number one cause of contact dermatitis and can make the cut worse.

Is there any seeping, redness? I find it very difficult to believe that a MOUSE could cause a split. Shocked Perhaps it scratched itself on the edge or hood of the tank some other time trying to get out, and you are only now noticing it when it ate?
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markstockham



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deborahbroadus wrote:
I have heard that it's not a good idea as we thought to use Neosporin. Apparently, some aver that it is the number one cause of contact dermatitis and can make the cut worse.


This is very true. I myself have a slight allergic reaction to neosporin. Also known as contact dermatitis. Sadly, almost anything can cause contact dermatitis. Things as innocent as your laundry soap can cause it.

I stopped using neosporin on animals when I started having a reaction when I was applying it to the animal. I now use Silvadene, which can also cause a reaction (like many other anti-bacterial/fungal creams), but fortunately for me I am not allergic to Silvadene.

I would use neosporin if I did not get a slight rash every time I touch it. Very Happy
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kristal_kaos



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: thanx Reply with quote

[quote="deborahbroadus"][quote="kristal_kaos"]well, i see what u mean about the skin stretching the scales apart a lil, but the skin on my baby stretched sooo much that the skin split and there is a gash/slit in her side. I put some antibiotic ointment on her, but the slit is still visible, like a scar or something. she seems to b ok, but im not feeding her a lil while out of fear that it may reopen. Crying or Very sad[/quote]

What kind of antibiotic ointment are you using? I have heard that it's not a good idea as we thought to use Neosporin. Apparently, some aver that it is the number one cause of contact dermatitis and can make the cut worse.

Is there any seeping, redness? I find it very difficult to believe that a MOUSE could cause a split. Shocked Perhaps it scratched itself on the edge or hood of the tank some other time trying to get out, and you are only now noticing it when it ate?[/quote]


well, i did use neosporin Embarassed ...someone said to put antiobiotic ointment on her so i did. i didnt know it was bad to use. The cut looks like it is healing, but will leave a small scar prolly. I know it happened while she ate, not before or after, because my 5 yr old likes to watch it eat and stretch its mouth, lol...so it happened right in front of us. I figured since all of her neck was stretching and scales were seperating, that all would return to normal after she ate (like usual)...only, that didnt happen. All her body n scales went back to normal after eating, but that particular spot i saw stretch really badly, actually tore (a centimeter in length)...no blood (or leakage of any kind)- just looked a lil wet. She didnt seem to mind it tho...moves around normally and i will attempt to feed her this weekend again for the first time since it happened. she shed too, last week. so i will see how that scar looks now. oh, and her name is Deep Throat (someone asked in an earlier reply, lol)
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kidchaser5



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kristal- How is your snake?

I just read this post, and wanted to tell you about an experience I had. Last summer we kept a garter snake for a couple of months(we always let them go before fall). Anyway, she was pounding tons of worms and getting fatter by the day. One morning, the tank was full of 17 baby garter snakes! It was so cool. She ended up accidentaly trying to eat one while I was feeding her worms, so we let her go and kept the babies for a while. Well we caught worms for them which they seemed to eat just fine, but one snake while eating just started flipping out all of a sudden! I noticed the same thing you did with the splitting of the skin. Well, that baby snake ended up dying a few days later! We just let the rest go for fear of the same thing happening. Just figured they would find the right size food on their own.

So anyway, my point wasn't to scare you, but I would take your snake to a vet just to make sure that this isn't something you can't handle at home. Pythons can go alot longer without eating than a garter snake, and I would definitely wait a while longer to feed her. I don't know how long it would take to heal, but I would call your vet and at least get some questions answered over the phone. My vet is always helpful that way. Hope yours is.

It stands to reason that if the skin split(like the baby garter snakes did), that means her esophagus did too, and I would not feed her anything until you got some advice from your vet. I felt so bad for the little snake, and I'd hate to see yours suffer too! Let me know if everything's okay?
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markstockham



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:06 pm    Post subject: Re: thanx Reply with quote

kristal_kaos wrote:


well, i did use neosporin Embarassed ...someone said to put antiobiotic ointment on her so i did. i didnt know it was bad to use. The cut looks like it is healing, but will leave a small scar prolly. I know it happened while she ate, not before or after, because my 5 yr old likes to watch it eat and stretch its mouth, lol...so it happened right in front of us. I figured since all of her neck was stretching and scales were seperating, that all would return to normal after she ate (like usual)...only, that didnt happen. All her body n scales went back to normal after eating, but that particular spot i saw stretch really badly, actually tore (a centimeter in length)...no blood (or leakage of any kind)- just looked a lil wet. She didnt seem to mind it tho...moves around normally and i will attempt to feed her this weekend again for the first time since it happened. she shed too, last week. so i will see how that scar looks now. oh, and her name is Deep Throat (someone asked in an earlier reply, lol)



There is nothing wrong with using neosporin, like with most anti fungal/bacterial creams and ointments there is always a chance for an allergic reaction. Personally I would stick with neosporin because of the fact that it is a very common product that can be bought almost anywhere. And because it works. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:15 pm    Post subject: Re: thanx Reply with quote

markstockham wrote:
kristal_kaos wrote:


well, i did use neosporin Embarassed ...someone said to put antiobiotic ointment on her so i did. i didnt know it was bad to use. The cut looks like it is healing, but will leave a small scar prolly. I know it happened while she ate, not before or after, because my 5 yr old likes to watch it eat and stretch its mouth, lol...so it happened right in front of us. I figured since all of her neck was stretching and scales were seperating, that all would return to normal after she ate (like usual)...only, that didnt happen. All her body n scales went back to normal after eating, but that particular spot i saw stretch really badly, actually tore (a centimeter in length)...no blood (or leakage of any kind)- just looked a lil wet. She didnt seem to mind it tho...moves around normally and i will attempt to feed her this weekend again for the first time since it happened. she shed too, last week. so i will see how that scar looks now. oh, and her name is Deep Throat (someone asked in an earlier reply, lol)



There is nothing wrong with using neosporin, like with most anti fungal/bacterial creams and ointments there is always a chance for an allergic reaction. Personally I would stick with neosporin because of the fact that it is a very common product that can be bought almost anywhere. And because it works. Smile



Hi Mark you are right, it is easily gotten and many people use it. I was cautious about recommending it because of that "chance" that you mentioned earlier. There have been reports (during my inquiries to other keepers and breeders) of other breeders/keepers having a problem with Neosporin, so I think it is a bit of a stretch to claim that "it works" since it's not 100%. It's just me, but lately I have tried to be more careful of any information or advice that I give. I would/could not feel really comfortable in recommending a treatment, which I have not tried myself successfully or heard of with negative results. I would not want the burden of feeling responsible if something happened to someone else's BP if they followed advice that I can't vouch for.

Since I have never used it then I can't vouch for it. Embarassed I did; however, have a rescue (Princess) given to me by John White and she had a skin injury and I took her to the Vet and what I use is the antibotic which the Vet recommended and prescribed. I'll put the name up later.

Ron uses it successfully (he has more experience and a Vet on call), but being the worrywart that I am, I don't use products (if I know of negatives) that can have an adverse impact on my snakes.

Like Kid said, there is a skin disease in snakes that causes the skin to separate (I believe I alluded to this earlier). I would strongly suggest that this snake see a Vet, it is very unusual for a snake to have skin separate while swallowing a MOUSE. Shocked Therefore, there may be other factors in play which we know nothing of.
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